US staff sergeant kills 16 Afghan civilians

[KBScobravert]

Hand him over to the Afghans to be tried - he walked off the base on his own to commit these murders.

I agree with Forest, there is no way if I was the last Private standing would I let some goat fucking ANP or ANA touch him. We will handle him ourselves. If the Afghan's don't like it they can fight us for him but I can tell you how that will end; not in their favor.

[KBScobravert]

Yeah but he'll likely be dealt with gently versus cap punishment, etc by military. I don't think he really cared when he did this in their country so they should have arrested him themselves if they were smart.

I don't think gentle is going to be anywhere near how he is handled. He very single handedly was the straw that broke the camel's back over there. In one act he changed the dynamics far greater than anything else that has happened. Karzi the Corrupt is calling for us to terminate all bases in rural areas and bring our entire force into the main hubs. I can tell you there are only a handful (BAF, KAF, Salerno, Sharana, MEZ-FLE, Phoenix??) of "hub" or Base size locations in that country. I know this because I have been to all the ones in the North, East and West. We have well over 150+ small bases he is referring to (been to 35+ of those personally).

Whether the change is for the good or the bad is yet to be foreseen. If his actions turn the entire Afghan force against us and it very well could do that, we are in for a shit storm and a sure fight. Not necessarily a bad thing though.

If they turn on us it just means they were always going to do so, get it over with and lets get it on.

If they don't turn on us and we still pull back, we have lost the ground that several thousand have died for and countless thousands have been injured for.

Fuck that entire region. I spent long enough there to have an informed opinion and say that they are not worth the shit you kick off your boots before stepping in the barn.

In reference to the SSGT and his reasoning. There is no reasoning that can account for killing 16 people in this manner. I am sure many, many, many more have thought about it but he proved one of the 3% that could not distinguish between right and wrong. There is not an acronym that fits what he did or that he or anyone can lay on it. Evil is just that.

[92redragtop]

Yeah but he'll likely be dealt with gently versus cap punishment, etc by military. I don't think he really cared when he did this in their country so they should have arrested him themselves if they were smart.

[Forever_frost]

Hand him over to the Afghans to be tried - he walked off the base on his own to commit these murders.

Hell no. We do not hand our soldiers over to the natives. Ever. That's why we have military courts

[Forever_frost]

Traumatic brain injury = Concussion. A concussion doesn't/shouldn't give you a pass on the gallows if you REALLY step on your dick by killing 16 people.

That is just the politics of his crime. Now ask me personally if I give a damn about what he did.

Actually a TBI is quite a bit worse than a concussion. Hell, the VA bases disability ratings on it and there are new studies that show how an explosion changes your brain chemistry and structure.

From someone who has a severe tbi

[92redragtop]

Hand him over to the Afghans to be tried - he walked off the base on his own to commit these murders.

[svauto-erotic855]

They said this is his first rotation to Afghanistan, but he'd done 3 others in Iraq and the last rotation to Iraq was caught up in an IED and suffered a traumatic brain injury. No way the man should be given capital punishment. TBI, PTSD AND sent back into combat? If there's an insanity plea, there you are

Traumatic brain injury = Concussion. A concussion doesn't/shouldn't give you a pass on the gallows if you REALLY step on your dick by killing 16 people.

That is just the politics of his crime. Now ask me personally if I give a damn about what he did.

[Forever_frost]

They said this is his first rotation to Afghanistan, but he'd done 3 others in Iraq and the last rotation to Iraq was caught up in an IED and suffered a traumatic brain injury. No way the man should be given capital punishment. TBI, PTSD AND sent back into combat? If there's an insanity plea, there you are

[ceyko]

I've been reading that his unit sent him back despite him having PTSD and this being his 4th rotation.

Did you by any chance get what his MOS is?

I'll constantly pull that card about too many rotations. 4 rotations should be unheard of, much-less the amount people actually do these days.

I'm not saying what this E-6 did was right, but there is a difference between someone quite possibly going nuts due to REAL (not perceived or self induced) stress and the way the media seems to be portraying it.

w/o a draft I don't have an answer - other than pulling out (which I think we should do now as well).

The only counter argument to me is that during say WWII - guys were fighting for years. Which is true for sure. I think one saving grace (if you can call it that), is their ROE was a lot more open and the mission/enemy was a lot different. Of course, they had their own set of serious problems too.

[Wicked98Snake]

Give him a medal?

[ELVIS]

you train a man to kill dont be surprised when he does.

god bless.

[mikec]

I've been reading that his unit sent him back despite him having PTSD and this being his 4th rotation.

So basically he was trapped in hell and this was his only way out...

[Forever_frost]

I've been reading that his unit sent him back despite him having PTSD and this being his 4th rotation.

[Kyle]

Was this guy found with a copy of The Catcher In The Rye? I think its a conspiracy. The government made him do it b/c its an election year.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

His gun probably went off while he was cleaning it.

Yah cause you know how dangerous guns are. THey kill little kids all the time cause they aren't inanimate objects, theyre highly advanced artificial intelligences capable of making their own choices. As per the Obama types.