Indiana to allow shooting at cops

[Forever_frost]

It's not the same thing, and he can't really do that. In Texas, the Lieutenant Governor has all the power. The Governor has very little real power.

I was about to point that out.

[juiceweezl]

If anyone shoots a cop they most likely won't live beyond the encounter. Fact is that as soon as shots are fired it's going to escalate, they're going to throw everything they have at the house, and people are going to die.

The cops aren't just going to back off and let it go, of this we can all be certain.

If more than one officer is on scene, you can bet this will be the case. What the law should do is force LEO's to be absolute certain they have dotted their "i's" and crossed their "t's" when trying to enter a residence legally. I suspect you won't have cases of entering the wrong house like we've recently seen. Nothing changes if they have the legal right to enter a home. The probability of facing gunfire when entering a drug dealer's home doesn't change at all because of this law. It just means that law abiding citizens are a bit safer and shouldn't have to worry about someone busting their door down for no reason at all -- or worry about their dogs getting blasted.

[YALE]

wait....Indiana has a republican governor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_E._Daniels,_Jr.

[hustleman]

As a LEO, I don't like this law. Not that I stomp on civil liberties or don't follow the 4th amendment to best of my understanding, but this law will just get a bunch of people killed. Someone said it earlier, If LEOs are going into a house there will be a bunch of us. If shots are fired, there will be return fire until rounds stop coming. When LEOs enter a home they are not going in to kill, they are going into take control of the situation and serve the warrant. Now if entry is illegal then let the courts sort it out. If illegal all evidence gained will be thrown out and charges will be dropped. Even 100% guilty criminal all say they are absolutely innocent when every encountered by LE. So in their minds if they think they are innocent, then any entry is considered unlawful to them and they may start sending rounds down range. All you guys that think this is a good law, just understand you will be dead as well and won't be able to get on DFWmustangs.net and post how you defended your home and were justified. So be careful what you wish for.

All its going to take is one bad incident where a bunch of people die for this legislation to be repealed.

As stated earlier I am for 100% for home owners to defend themselves and their property, but government is not going into someones home without probable cause and definitely not going in to kill the occupants.

Just my opinion.

[YALE]

As a LEO, I don't like this law. Not that I stomp on civil liberties or don't follow the 4th amendment to best of my understanding, but this law will just get a bunch of people killed. Someone said it earlier, If LEOs are going into a house there will be a bunch of us. If shots are fired, there will be return fire until rounds stop coming. When LEOs enter a home they are not going in to kill, they are going into take control of the situation and serve the warrant. Now if entry is illegal then let the courts sort it out. If illegal all evidence gained will be thrown out and charges will be dropped. Even 100% guilty criminal all say they are absolutely innocent when every encountered by LE. So in their minds if they think they are innocent, then any entry is considered unlawful to them and they may start sending rounds down range. All you guys that think this is a good law, just understand you will be dead as well and won't be able to get on DFWmustangs.net and post how you defended your home and were justified. So be careful what you wish for.

All its going to take is one bad incident where a bunch of people die for this legislation to be repealed.

As stated earlier I am for 100% for home owners to defend themselves and their property, but government is not going into someones home without probable cause and definitely not going in to kill the occupants.

Just my opinion.

What about no-knock warrants? They're technically legal, but if you don't serve me the warrant you have to search my house and come in anyway, you're risking your life, and I don't car what any government in any country has to say about it.

[talisman]

You're looking at it wrong. What you've described has already happened time and time again without this law. This law is meant to protect people after the fact, and make sure LE is paying attention to wtf they are doing when they decide to bust a door down.

[hustleman]

What about no-knock warrants? They're technically legal, but if you don't serve me the warrant you have to search my house and come in anyway, you're risking your life, and I don't car what any government in any country has to say about it.

Sound like you're set in your ways. So be prepared to enjoy your last breath is all I'm saying, because you will not survive the encounter either.

[YALE]

Sound like you're set in your ways. So be prepared to enjoy your last breath is all I'm saying, because you will not survive the encounter either.

Dude, it sounds like you expect to be able to hide behind your badge, and get away with murder for being in the wrong house, or not actually serving the warrants you carry. Wait a second, are you actually trying to defend no-knock warrants, and the emphasis on militarizing the police in this country?

[Broncojohnny]

All its going to take is one bad incident where a bunch of people die for this legislation to be repealed.

I don't know why you would think you can knock down someone's door on some fake ass warrant and not get shot in the face? Maybe you should move to China where that shit is acceptable.

[mikec]

Sound like you're set in your ways. So be prepared to enjoy your last breath is all I'm saying, because you will not survive the encounter either.

Regardless of right or wrong, someone is going to die. Exactly what I touched on above, but just a lot more "real" coming from an actual LEO. "They're going to kill you if you shoot at them."

Even if they're in the wrong. That should scare the hell out of everyone.

[Txstang1]

As a LEO, I don't like this law. Not that I stomp on civil liberties or don't follow the 4th amendment to best of my understanding, but this law will just get a bunch of people killed. Someone said it earlier, If LEOs are going into a house there will be a bunch of us. If shots are fired, there will be return fire until rounds stop coming. When LEOs enter a home they are not going in to kill, they are going into take control of the situation and serve the warrant. Now if entry is illegal then let the courts sort it out. If illegal all evidence gained will be thrown out and charges will be dropped. Even 100% guilty criminal all say they are absolutely innocent when every encountered by LE. So in their minds if they think they are innocent, then any entry is considered unlawful to them and they may start sending rounds down range. All you guys that think this is a good law, just understand you will be dead as well and won't be able to get on DFWmustangs.net and post how you defended your home and were justified. So be careful what you wish for.

All its going to take is one bad incident where a bunch of people die for this legislation to be repealed.

As stated earlier I am for 100% for home owners to defend themselves and their property, but government is not going into someones home without probable cause and definitely not going in to kill the occupants.

Just my opinion.

You have to be kidding ? goverment enters home illegally on a regular basis thats the only reason the stupid law had to be made. I hope the entire nation follows suit. Very simple , you guys make triple sure your shit is together and this will not be an issue.

We have the right to protect our property. That's it. Correct address, no problem. Just like if we don't break law, we aren't at risk of getting into a bad situation wih leo's.

[juiceweezl]

Very simple , you guys make triple sure your shit is together and this will not be an issue.

We have the right to protect our property. That's it. Correct address, no problem. Just like if we don't break law, we aren't at risk of getting into a bad situation wih leo's.

Exactly what I said earlier and is the simplest way to look at this. If all the papers are in order, then there won't be an issue, at least not one that wouldn't have existed anyway. Those that are going to resist while being properly served would have resisted regardless.

[JC316]

You have to be kidding ? goverment enters home illegally on a regular basis thats the only reason the stupid law had to be made. I hope the entire nation follows suit. Very simple , you guys make triple sure your shit is together and this will not be an issue.

We have the right to protect our property. That's it. Correct address, no problem. Just like if we don't break law, we aren't at risk of getting into a bad situation wih leo's.

Agreed. Current mindset of cops seems to be "I sure hope I have the right address, but if I don't, I can do whatever I want and get away with it".

With this law, it should make it "Lets double check the address, I wouldn't want to get shot by a law abiding citizen".

[futant]

lol im not even surprised this is necessary.
I don't blame the cops as much as i blame rubber stamp judges though.
That is unless the cops are the ones so damn stupid they went to the wrong address.
If you talk to a cop , they'll say that never happens.
If you read the news , it happens virtually every day - mostly just because of no-knock warrants for stupid shit that could have been avoided, and just PURE LAZINESS

Also it negates common sense to issue no knock warrants when you don t HAVE to. Criminals now also break into houses dressed up like SWAT teams due to this. All created by the militarization of police.
I applaude keeping the cops in order with a couple downrange shots if thats what it takes. You shouldn't be here, and I shouldn't have to expose my life and residence to ransacking by JBT's. Who are too stupid to do their job correctly, and safely like the rest of society.

[SS Junk]

The cops aren't just going to back off and let it go, of this we can all be certain.

Never thought of it that way, but perhaps this law is to mock its citizens because not a one will survive killing a cop therefore will not be able to testify...