Election 2012

[Grape]

People woke up today knowing their wealth will shrink 12-15 percent in the next year. I guess we should all be on the dole, then no one would be angry.....

my business's have continued to grow over the last 4 years, so much so that i'm at the point of hiring more employees. maybe you guys should find other professions if the president causes you so much trouble lol.

[Baba Ganoush]

Who exactly are these people?

Taxpayers.

[Dlachance]

Wow, I guess jluv doesnt understand that if we continue to decrease the size of the middle class, and increase the size of the lower class, it will be a whole lot easier for the government to "collect the wealth". Meanwhile, let put the lower class against the upper, and have the government use them as liason to the wallets of the rich. Liberals/Socialists are pathetic, at best.

[Baba Ganoush]

my business's have continued to grow over the last 4 years, so much so that i'm at the point of hiring more employees. maybe you guys should find other professions if the president causes you so much trouble lol.

It's not just the President, it's the three-ring circus of fiscal irresponsibility that he's ring leading.

[jluv]

Taxpayers.

Your crystal ball is probably busted. I'm a taxpayer. I bet it wont happen. Just like last time right after he won. People said I'd be paying a lot more taxes. 50%, in fact. It never happened.

It's just illegitimate propaganda until it happens. Same ol' shit.

[lowthreeohz]

Cost of insurance, food, fuel, and store-bought items has gone through the roof in the last 4 years. I can't say for certain that it's O's fault.. but it sure has managed to hit the wallet while he's been in office. That's what this is about to me, i dont give a fuck about gays marrying, or anything like that. I worry my money isn't going as far as it used to.. it's like i put money in the top of the piggy bank while the governments hand is in the bottom raiding it. it's senseless. we've successfully created a generation of people looking for nothing more than their next handout.

[Grape]

It's not just the President, it's the three-ring circus of fiscal irresponsibility that he's ring leading.

i wouldn't disagree with that.

[jluv]

Wow, I guess jluv doesnt understand that if we continue to decrease the size of the middle class, and increase the size of the lower class, it will be a whole lot easier for the government to "collect the wealth". Meanwhile, let put the lower class against the upper, and have the government use them as liason to the wallets of the rich. Liberals/Socialists are pathetic, at best.

What I understand is that people have talked all this doom and gloom talk since Obama made it in the first time, and it never came true for me, my family, my friends, my coworkers, etc. I just don't buy it. Things will always be screwed up, regardless of who's in charge, but a more positive outlook makes a world of difference in quality of life. People predicted that by now we'd be paying half our income on taxes, lose access to quality health care, or even have our president come out as a terrorist - they were wrong. It didn't come to fruition. Just a bunch of wasted time and energy saying or thinking that shit was true and worrying about it. It's the same thing now. What happens will happen, and Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it anyway.

[jluv]

Cost of insurance, food, fuel, and store-bought items has gone through the roof in the last 4 years. I can't say for certain that it's O's fault.. but it sure has managed to hit the wallet while he's been in office. That's what this is about to me, i dont give a fuck about gays marrying, or anything like that. I worry my money isn't going as far as it used to.. it's like i put money in the top of the piggy bank while the governments hand is in the bottom raiding it. it's senseless. we've successfully created a generation of people looking for nothing more than their next handout.

My insurance costs went down. Food's a little higher. Fuel is outrageous, no doubt. But do you really think it would have been so different with McCain, or that Romney was going to fix it if he got in?

[Baron Von Crowder]

What I understand is that people have talked all this doom and gloom talk since Obama made it in the first time, and it never came true for me, my family, my friends, my coworkers, etc. I just don't buy it. Things will always be screwed up, regardless of who's in charge, but a more positive outlook makes a world of difference in quality of life. People predicted that by now we'd be paying half our income on taxes, lose access to quality health care, or even have our president come out as a terrorist - they were wrong. It didn't come to fruition. Just a bunch of wasted time and energy saying or thinking that shit was true and worrying about it. It's the same thing now. What happens will happen, and Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it anyway.

how do you think they will get money to keep all these programs going if they dont raise taxes?

[lowthreeohz]

My insurance costs went down. Food's a little higher. Fuel is outrageous, no doubt. But do you really think it would have been so different with McCain, or that Romney was going to fix it if he got in?

My insurance has increased like 40/mo. I don't think things would change simply with a different man in office, but it has a better chance of happening than our current situation allows, IMO.

[CJ]

The older I get, the less willing I am to explain economics to people.

[YALE]

Your opinions aren't stupid. It's not lost on anyone that politicians have agendas: Romney, Obama, Paul etc.al.

During Obama's first term, we have done some very scary things:

-Added 6.6x trillion in national debt
-national debt exceeded GDP
-Social Security was borrowed from heavily (think bailouts) and became insolvent
-a huge amount of our debt owned by China was divested and sold to Japan
-for 4 straight years, Obama failed to set a fiscal budget
-Obama has spent more than any other president, and that occupies a pivotal role in our debt load

I could care less about what a woman does with her body. I don't care if weed is legal. Gays can marry. That does not directly affect me. This election was still fixated on meaningless trivialities like the above.

We have a president that based his original campaign on "Change and Hope" and has literally failed to make good on any of his promises. We seriously need change. We need some hope. I'm terrified of what happens when our debt becomes a sticking point for other countries and our dollar devalues itself so much that it's worthless. Like, actually worthless. No amount of weed smoking and gay marriage will fix us when we become worthless to the world (in a fiscal sense).

My addendum to your list is not going to be a popular one on this board, but I'd like to mention that he also killed 2 American citizens without due process via drone strike, for essentially exercising their first amendment right to free association. He even joked about it at a White House dinner. They were Al Queda fucksticks, to be sure, but they were entitled to due process. I don't lose any sleep over their deaths, but I do lose sleep over the precedent this type of killing sets, especially after the NDAA was signed into law. I realize Section 31 was declared unconstitutional, but he clearly doesn't care about that, as he ordered the killings before the NDAA even went up for a vote.

[jw33]

What I understand is that people have talked all this doom and gloom talk since Obama made it in the first time, and it never came true for me, my family, my friends, my coworkers, etc. I just don't buy it. Things will always be screwed up, regardless of who's in charge, but a more positive outlook makes a world of difference in quality of life. People predicted that by now we'd be paying half our income on taxes, lose access to quality health care, or even have our president come out as a terrorist - they were wrong. It didn't come to fruition. Just a bunch of wasted time and energy saying or thinking that shit was true and worrying about it. It's the same thing now. What happens will happen, and Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it anyway.

Not going agree or disagree with you, but that is another thing the republican party has got to stop doing. Piling on top of Obama on every single issue is fucking retarded. It is ridiculous that no matter what happens or who does what the republicans want to take no blame and somehow put everything exclusively on the other party. It is childish and a losers mentality. When it is bad, it's bad, but don't go around screaming your head off and finding way to make everything look like shit no matter what.

[jluv]

how do you think they will get money to keep all these programs going if they dont raise taxes?

I don't.

How'd they get it for the past 4 years without raising my taxes?