Gun Control Solutions

[YALE]

bunch of babies were murdered. no big deal since it was a tiny percentage. You are absurd

I didn't say it wasn't a tragedy. It is. It doesn't affect the entire country though, so it doesn't need national level legislation. The politicians that would use this kind of tragedy to increat their power over you don't deserve your support, dude.

[Forever_frost]

Gun laws do not apply to those who are going to commit murder. Murder's already against the law and they have no problem with breaking those. Point is, nothing could have been done. The school had just put in new security measures and he bypassed them AFTER he killed his mother and took her weapons. Only thing that could have possibly reduced the body count was arming the teachers. That's it.

Take your emotion out of it. This is an anomaly and makes the case for less gun laws. Gun free zones are target rich environments where you are able to kill to your desires are fulfilled without worry of being fought back against.

[TEAMJACOB]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

I thought about the same issues with arming teachers. I see his point and it is valid. I'm most certainly involving too much emotion in my thought processes right now with a "there has to be a better way to prevent this type of stuff" attitude.

[Jester]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

exactly......deranged people will always find deranged ways to harm others. outlaw every damned thing on the planet and you will find someone that will kill a handful of people with his teeth.

[Silverback]

You're missing his point completely. The magnitude of this event while it is horrific doesn't skew the numbers. The level of derangement that it takes to act out in this fashion can't be explained. And no amount of 'gun control' at any level will keep the deranged from doing unfathomable things.

While I understand the desire to arm teachers, it in itself creates a greater problem, being access to weapons to children in the classroom.

The idea of armed security wouldn't have solved today's issue, but we had that at the high school I attended. Off duty armed police. Metal detectors at all common entrances of a school is another solution, but there are ways around that for unauthorized visitors.

As tragic as today's events were, I don't think there is a simple solution that solves what happened today

[TEAMJACOB]

Properly, there is no gun violence problem. Violent crime has been tracking down for two decades, as the population has gone up. From 1993-2008, the total number of violent crimes reported went down 48%, while the population went up By 20%, meaning that per capita crimes actually went down by about 58%. Altering the entire country's laws because a sample group smaller than one one-millionth of the whole got killed is absurd. Statistically, there are way more important problems, but whatever, go back to sleep and listen to what the man on the tv box has to say.

bunch of babies were murdered. no big deal since it was a tiny percentage. You are absurd

[Forever_frost]

This couldn't have been prevented. He took his mother's weapons. Legally owned, kept in her home and she went through all the hoops to get them. He didn't. That's the catch. Criminals and those who want to hurt someone are going to bypass every check, every protection and kill someone.

[YALE]

Properly, there is no gun violence problem. Violent crime has been tracking down for two decades, as the population has gone up. From 1993-2008, the total number of violent crimes reported went down 48%, while the population went up By 20%, meaning that per capita crimes actually went down by about 58%. Altering the entire country's laws because a sample group smaller than one one-millionth of the whole got killed is absurd. Statistically, there are way more important problems, but whatever, go back to sleep and listen to what the man on the tv box has to say.

[Broncojohnny]

I'm interested in ideas as well. But really I don't think there are any besides what Frost said, which was armed teachers or at least armed security at schools.

[Captain Crawfish]

I dont disagree with this train of thought at all. Do you think anything at all can be added to the gun purchasing process that would help or do you feel it is all irrelevant. I agree guns arent the problem, its the crazies that use them. I jjust want crazies to not have them.

you cant read someones mind. they may not seem crazy until after the fact. the best protection is for the public to be armed so that when this happens it is stopped quickly instead of allowing 28 people to die helplessly.

[Jester]

I dont disagree with this train of thought at all. Do you think anything at all can be added to the gun purchasing process that would help or do you feel it is all irrelevant. I agree guns arent the problem, its the crazies that use them. I jjust want crazies to not have them.

doesnt matter, adolph obama is not gonna have brains and let our teachers have guns. he wants to round them up for his NWO. wish secret service would have a fucking "unfortunate" accident and empty a mag into him, biden, pelosi, and any other lib within reach. Instead of killing innocent people or kids, why cant one of these dickheads decide to fucking strap on some serious c4 and go out with a fucking bang at the next democratic cock juggling meet?

[TEAMJACOB]

What would have stopped this would have been armed teachers. Douche walks in and pulls a pistol, he's gunned down. That simple.

I dont disagree with this train of thought at all. Do you think anything at all can be added to the gun purchasing process that would help or do you feel it is all irrelevant. I agree guns arent the problem, its the crazies that use them. I jjust want crazies to not have them.

[TEAMJACOB]

Emotion aside, what other right do you want tests and mental evals before you're permitted to exercise them?

like i said, the psych test was just an example. I really wanted to hear more of you guys thoughts for a better system. I dont have one and am not saying that a psych test is the best answer. If I wanted to buy more guns and they wanted me to do a psych test, i'd do it if i wanted the gun bad enough.

[Forever_frost]

What would have stopped this would have been armed teachers. Douche walks in and pulls a pistol, he's gunned down. That simple.

[Forever_frost]

As many of you have, I've been reading the thread about the innocent little kids and what transpired in Connecticut today as well as trying to follow it on radio at work and I will probably turn on the tv at some point tonight. I havent commented in that thread because I am genuinely at a loss for words and I cant think of anything to say that remotely comes close to how I feel about today's events. The more this happens, the more I feel like we, as people, are a lost cost and are ultimately doomed. But my question is about gun control. Most of us here agree, outlawing or banning guns in general, is not the answer and this keeps guns primarily out of the hands of law abiding, upstanding citizens and doesnt do much, if anything at all, to keep them from criminals. So what ideas do ya'll have that could be the solution? What about psych evalutations being required before a purchase or having one on file for every x many years? I would be ok with that. It is just an idea or example but these kid's death cut pretty deep in me and surely all of you.

Emotion aside, what other right do you want tests and mental evals before you're permitted to exercise them?