Texas officials about teachers: Arm them!

[mikec]

I'm too lazy, but you can do a quick google search and even a youtube search to validate my statement. Even just a general knowledge of people and guns should be more than enough.

Because in that situation people didn't respond well, most are not qualified?

That's plumb silly mayne!

[bobs94formula]

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That video is biased for the news outlet. Most of those people, maybe even all of them don't have CHL's. Only one of them actually shoots real guns. Plus don't forget the extra baggy clothing they put on them make it a bitch to get the gun out. Plus the instructor knows exactly where they are sitting in that class when he comes in, which a crazed gunman probably wouldn't. You throw a bunch of noobs in a situation with a trained firearms instructor, hell yeah he better make them look stupid!

Harold ISD sends their people who carry to extra training above what little instruction they get with their CHL class.

I am all for arming teachers, sending them to advanced firearms training, and keeping who carries anonymous to the everyone but administrators and the school board.

[BlackSnake]

Because in that situation people didn't respond well, most are not qualified?

That's plumb silly mayne!

For real Mike? Why do you think police and military train constantly? Did you watch the whole video, or just a portion? It explained in detail why there must have advanced training. I'm dumb founded that you cant see this.

Maybe one of our leo's in here can add to this debate.

[BlackSnake]

That video is biased for the news outlet. Most of those people, maybe even all of them don't have CHL's. Only one of them actually shoots real guns. Plus don't forget the extra baggy clothing they put on them make it a bitch to get the gun out. Plus the instructor knows exactly where they are sitting in that class when he comes in, which a crazed gunman probably wouldn't. You throw a bunch of noobs in a situation with a trained firearms instructor, hell yeah he better make them look stupid!

Harold ISD sends their people who carry to extra training above what little instruction they get with their CHL class.

I am all for arming teachers, sending them to advanced firearms training, and keeping who carries anonymous to the everyone but administrators and the school board.

I wouldnt be so harsh. Its just one example. And its my opinion that most teachers would be noobs.
Second in bold statement, I totally agree 100%

CHL classes teach you about the weapon. It offers no valid hostile situational training.

[mikec]

For real Mike? Why do you think police and military train constantly? Did you watch the whole video, or just a portion? It explained in detail why there must have advanced training. I'm dumb founded that you cant see this.

Maybe one of our leo's in here can add to this debate.

See post 17.

...CHL classes teach you about the weapon. It offers no valid hostile situational training.

True. I love bringing people into the gun hobby, and try to regularly teach people to shoot. Hell, we had a CHL class at out church two months ago and I brought 10 people to it!

One of whom had never touched a gun until a week before the class. I spent around five hours with her, teaching her. Come class time, at the range, she went back to flinching and hit the target ONE time.

They passed her. Freaks me out knowing there are people like that with their licenses.

Still doesn't lead me to believe that the majority are unable to master it.

[BlackSnake]

See post 17.




True. I love bringing people into the gun hobby, and try to regularly teach people to shoot. Hell, we had a CHL class at out church two months ago and I brought 10 people to it!

One of whom had never touched a gun until a week before the class. I spent around five hours with her, teaching her. Come class time, at the range, she went back to flinching and hit the target ONE time.

They passed her. Freaks me out knowing there are people like that with their licenses.

Still doesn't lead me to believe that the majority are unable to master it.

I never said they can't master it. I'm just stating that a simple CHL isn't enough. We should also require advanced training to go with it.

[Forever_frost]

I'm too lazy, but you can do a quick google search and even a youtube search to validate my statement. Even just a general knowledge of people and guns should be more than enough.

IMO as a life time guns owner with decient training, I can tell you for sure that even most CHL classified people are not quaified to pack guns in a school. There would need to be advanced training by military or police academys. Be real and think about it. If you think that a few days of CHL class is enough to quailfy you, then so be it. NOT!

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Is that the supposed study where they had an active shooter come in and immediately take out the CHL holder before they could draw? You know, walk the CHL holder in, tell them where to sit, and have the gunman come in, know exactly where they are and fire on them first? And they also put them in baggy clothes wearing gloves?

That slanted ass study?

[mikec]

Boosh!

[Forever_frost]

For real Mike? Why do you think police and military train constantly? Did you watch the whole video, or just a portion? It explained in detail why there must have advanced training. I'm dumb founded that you cant see this.

Maybe one of our leo's in here can add to this debate.

I know we qualified ever 3 months and had our weapons in our hands 3 out of 5 days a week minimum, more if we were in the field which we were every few weeks for a month at a time. I'm more than willing to, for the price of lunch and DSL, sit at school with my CHL and be ready and respond to an active shooter situation. We have how many combat veterans with weapons that would be willing to do exactly this?

Hell, put me in the room with the counselor and I'll clean weapons and sit on here all day and if that day comes, I'll respond.

[Cooter]

Wayne, do you have a link to this study? There was a study I guess, for you to make that statement so matter of factly?

Just saying that you have nothing to validate that. Some couldn't handle it, sure. Just don't think saying most is very accurate...

He probably just knows a lot of teachers. My wife is a teacher, and she not any of her colleagues would be worth a shit at this... I even proposed that I thought teachers should be trained and armed and she stared at me like I was from mars.

I'm sure there are a few male coaches who would be down and some are better than none, but I agree with Wayne based on my interaction with teachers k-12 over the past 7yrs

[Cooter]

I know we qualified ever 3 months and had our weapons in our hands 3 out of 5 days a week minimum, more if we were in the field which we were every few weeks for a month at a time. I'm more than willing to, for the price of lunch and DSL, sit at school with my CHL and be ready and respond to an active shooter situation. We have how many combat veterans with weapons that would be willing to do exactly this?

Hell, put me in the room with the counselor and I'll clean weapons and sit on here all day and if that day comes, I'll respond.

Damnit if you aren't awesome

[Baron Von Crowder]

He probably just knows a lot of teachers. My wife is a teacher, and she not any of her colleagues would be worth a shit at this... I even proposed that I thought teachers should be trained and armed and she stared at me like I was from mars.

I'm sure there are a few male coaches who would be down and some are better than none, but I agree with Wayne based on my interaction with teachers k-12 over the past 7yrs

The vast majority of educators are liberals. And most havent learned to shoot or have a CHL. Its the ones that do shoot, or would get a CHL that would be the ones to do it.

The highschool that my wife and MIL teach at have 2 school resource officers. They have ~220 teachers. Id like thier to be more than just two people, who generally are in the main office, that have the potential to stop a shooter if that person walked into thier classroom.

I also dont think that they should be required to confront a shooter. I'm not required to as a CHL holder, why should they?

[Forever_frost]

Damnit if you aren't awesome

you put me with a weapon in the same school as a gunman who is moving toward my son's class and I guarantee you the man will be dead

[mikec]

He probably just knows a lot of teachers. My wife is a teacher, and she not any of her colleagues would be worth a shit at this... I even proposed that I thought teachers should be trained and armed and she stared at me like I was from mars.

I'm sure there are a few male coaches who would be down and some are better than none, but I agree with Wayne based on my interaction with teachers k-12 over the past 7yrs

heck, I know a lot of them too, and know of at least a dozen in this district that would be fine. my thoughts are that with this happening as frequently as it is, more of them will be interested and should be given the chance...

[Machx2]

He probably just knows a lot of teachers. My wife is a teacher, and she not any of her colleagues would be worth a shit at this... I even proposed that I thought teachers should be trained and armed and she stared at me like I was from mars.

I'm sure there are a few male coaches who would be down and some are better than none, but I agree with Wayne based on my interaction with teachers k-12 over the past 7yrs

My fiance is a 1st grade teacher and will not touch a gun. I have tried and tried to teach her to shoot, she won't.