Someone fighting for Texas 2nd Amendment

[Jester]

Sean, you are dodging like a motherfucker on this, because you know that shit makes sense. they have been paid...... time to work.

[Forever_frost]

Sean, you are dodging like a motherfucker on this, because you know that shit makes sense. they have been paid...... time to work.

Exactly.

[aggie97]

Kick them off the tit. Send them letters that say "We hear other states are passing out that free Obama money; go there. Cause Texas doesn't give it out anymore."

"Oh and dear .gov, we are just gonna tax you more to use the ports in Texas. If you want to withdraw all the CBP and ICE out of Texas, fine, we will staff those possitions with Service members returning from Afg and Iraq that are looking for jobs. But don't get pissed when we give them live ammo on the border.............TO USE! Also, you can keep the USPS, we don't need them now that we don't mail out welfare checks. Who the fuck mails a letter anyways?"

The Chess Game to secession. As for the USPS...it generates revenue large enough to support operations....just not the retirement benefits. Get rid of the benefits and the service operates in the black.

[LANTIRN]

Are you advocating violating the Constitution?

It is not slavery if they were compensated for the work. I think the condition of any welfare should be picking up trash on the highway for 12 hours a day, or whatever nasty job we need done. Landfill work or sewage treatment would be good, too.

[Forever_frost]

If you draft them, the entire issue goes away. Issue an edict:

"If you have received welfare for longer than 12 months and are able bodied, you are hereby drafted for a period of not less than 24 months in the Community Revitalization Program run by the Army."

[Forever_frost]

It is not slavery if they were compensated for the work. I think the condition of any welfare should be picking up trash on the highway for 12 hours a day, or whatever nasty job we need done. Landfill work or sewage treatment would be good, too.

I think cleaning bedpans and bathrooms at a VA would be a good start

[racrguy]

No, I'm not. They have been paid, now it's time to collect the labor. You keep dodging. Is it slavery if they've already been paid for their labor?

Edit: I'm also okay with bringing them before a court, figuring out how much they have collected and sentencing them to x hours of labor in repayment. Not involuntary servitude, they may pay it back at any time and are forever stricken from receiving any form of benefit forward until it is repaid. Also, if you draft them, SC has held this doesn't count as involuntary servitude:

In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

Look up United States v Kozminski and Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000. If that doesn't work for you, you'd have to make receiving any government aid a crime. If you did that, what would you do with the government itself that was engaging in criminal activities?

Sean, you are dodging like a motherfucker on this, because you know that shit makes sense. they have been paid...... time to work.

I don't agree with giving able bodied people any form of government aid for an extended period of time, but what I absolutely despise is involuntary/indentured servitude, which is not a far cry from slavery.

It is not slavery if they were compensated for the work. I think the condition of any welfare should be picking up trash on the highway for 12 hours a day, or whatever nasty job we need done. Landfill work or sewage treatment would be good, too.

If they were working for it while receiving benefits it wouldn't be welfare, it would be called a job.

[Forever_frost]

I was actually reading that one. It's not trafficking. As I said, if you draft them, it becomes completely legal. Barring draft, they have been paid for their labor, what is unconstitutional about requiring service for that payment?

[Jester]

I don't agree with giving able bodied people any form of government aid for an extended period of time, but what I absolutely despise is involuntary/indentured servitude, which is not a far cry from slavery.
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you cant have it both ways.
what is wrong with making people actually work for what they were given?

I tell you what, let us make it this simple. Before receiving welfare, they sign a contract saying "upon being able bodied or able to have a job again you will then spend your weekends working to pay off this debt.....sign below if you agree..."

[svauto-erotic855]

I don't agree with giving able bodied people any form of government aid for an extended period of time, but what I absolutely despise is involuntary/indentured servitude, which is not a far cry from slavery.

I despise involuntary/indentured servitude also so I refused to pay any income taxes. Get back with me in a few years and I will let you know how it worked out.

[Forever_frost]

Jester makes good points. You want the welfare? Then you sign a debt to the taxpayers saying you will pay it off.

And paying for the welfare of others while receiving nothing from them IS slavery. Taxpayers are already slaves. We are merely demanding something for our contributions

[Nash B.]

Is it slavery if you've been paid for your labor?

Yeah, if you're doing it against your will, it is.

And paying for the welfare of others while receiving nothing from them IS slavery. Taxpayers are already slaves. We are merely demanding something for our contributions

Don't want to pay for their welfare? Don't work. It's not slavery if you have a choice.

[bird_dog0347]

I thought this was about the 2nd and 10th amendments?

[Jester]

I thought this was about the 2nd and 10th amendments?

I thought this website was for mustangs...

[racrguy]

I was actually reading that one. It's not trafficking. As I said, if you draft them, it becomes completely legal. Barring draft, they have been paid for their labor, what is unconstitutional about requiring service for that payment?

It's called involuntary servitude. SPECIFICALLY BARRED BY THE 13TH AMENDMENT. If you are drafted into the military, you're being paid while you serve.

you cant have it both ways.
what is wrong with making people actually work for what they were given?

Absolutely nothing is wrong with this, as long as they're working WHILE you're paying them, and not forcing them to work against their will.

I tell you what, let us make it this simple. Before receiving welfare, they sign a contract saying "upon being able bodied or able to have a job again you will then spend your weekends working to pay off this debt.....sign below if you agree..."

This is where you're fucking up.

Jester makes good points. You want the welfare? Then you sign a debt to the taxpayers saying you will pay it off.

And paying for the welfare of others while receiving nothing from them IS slavery. Taxpayers are already slaves. We are merely demanding something for our contributions

What Tony said.

I thought this was about the 2nd and 10th amendments?

It was, until we had a trio of fucking retards try to make it sound like slavery is hunky dory.