What would be the spark?

[Trip McNeely]

What does it matter about legislators when Mein Führer keeps sending out EO's??

[stevo]

They won't speak up because they are towing the party line. Harry Reid has been very pro gun and is part of the reason you will never see a gun control bill make it out of the senate.

This is a crisis manufactured by the media. Obama has no hope of ever seeing gun control legislation come out of congress and he knows it, thus the executive orders. All he needs to do is issue an executive order that includes confiscation of "assault weapons" and the powderkeg will go off.

^ gets it.

Stevo

[Broncojohnny]

Then they need to speak up. I don't know a single democrat that is pro gun, personally. I'm not saying they don't exist, but if they don't speak up, how are their officials to know?

They won't speak up because they are towing the party line. Harry Reid has been very pro gun and is part of the reason you will never see a gun control bill make it out of the senate.

This is a crisis manufactured by the media. Obama has no hope of ever seeing gun control legislation come out of congress and he knows it, thus the executive orders. All he needs to do is issue an executive order that includes confiscation of "assault weapons" and the powderkeg will go off.

[bcoop]

Not all Democrats are anti-gun though. The anti-gun crowd is a minority in the US.

Stevo

Then they need to speak up. I don't know a single democrat that is pro gun, personally. I'm not saying they don't exist, but if they don't speak up, how are their officials to know?

[stevo]

Most democrats are anti gun. Democrats are the majority. Seems to me they are doing what their constituents want.

Not all Democrats are anti-gun though. The anti-gun crowd is a minority in the US.

Stevo

[stevo]

This is where I am lost. Where is the push for legislation coming from? Who the hell are legislators working for?

For the most part, the same ones that pushed it through in 1994.

The real reason? Power. Control. You put someone on food stamps, you control what they eat. TANF? You control what they buy. Section 8 housing? Where they live. Their guns? Their ability to stand up for their rights.
Stevo

[bcoop]

This is where I am lost. Where is the push for legislation coming from? Who the hell are legislators working for?

Most democrats are anti gun. Democrats are the majority. Seems to me they are doing what their constituents want.

[Baba Ganoush]

I think that most people don't realize how pro gun this country is.

This is where I am lost. Where is the push for legislation coming from? Who the hell are legislators working for?

[dblack1]

I think that most people don't realize how pro gun this country is. This is a very lopsided issue. People won't stand for any sort of confiscation program at all. Look at the number of people joining the NRA. I don't care for them all that much but I signed up for a lifetime membership today.

People really do underestimate the amount/type of person who is pro gun.

It wouldn't take a big spark right now to get things rolling. A lot of people are on the edge, be it financially or mentally. The last four years have seen zero improvement in my opinion. A lot of people have had a change in lifestyle that they never imagined they would see. A large part of this country has been fucked so hard they wake up wondering if there is a way out. When it is the same entity doing all the reaming, you eventually get tired of getting the shaft without even a courtesy spit. We are at this point.

[Snatch Napkin]

You mean like how it was for a month after 9/11? Where nearly every house had a flag flying, and various patriotic bumper stickers? Everyone was friendly, worried about more than their own, and stuck together? People tend to forget how quickly all that shit disappeared, and how quickly everyone stopped giving a fuck once they returned to their precious American Idol, etc. America has an A.D.D and a short term memory problem. I also think self serving interests are at the highest levels they've ever been. I don't see that happening again, and even if it were to happen, it would be right back to Honey Boo Boo because none of the other stuff affects them.

So fucking sad, but terribly true.

[Broncojohnny]

I think that most people don't realize how pro gun this country is. This is a very lopsided issue. People won't stand for any sort of confiscation program at all. Look at the number of people joining the NRA. I don't care for them all that much but I signed up for a lifetime membership today.

[stevo]

I was taking my CHL renewal this past weekend and the instructors got pretty far off on a tangent concerning the government and pending action against guns (and other freedoms). One of them said something along the lines of "The crazies are always talking crazy. There is always the fringe. The majority of us just keep our heads down, go to work, get kicked in the teeth, and go home. Grin and take it. Real change is going to start when those are the people that start saying the things that the crazies have been saying. I think that is starting to happen." A couple minutes later one of the ladies that works there was talking about shooting UN troops on her porch.

tl;dr I agree that people will violently resist at some point.

Maybe during the Vietnam War or the Race Wars during the early 60's, but then it was mainly the extreme ends of the spectrum being so divided. It seems now the division is at the moderate level.

When the moderates in our country become as divided as now, it is time to really start worrying. Shit is on the path to get bad quick, it just needs a spark. the 0bama regime attempting to legislate via EO will be that spark. And how America goes, so goes the rest of the world. When the SHTF here, it will throw this entire world into chaos. Most people are oblivious to how fast this situation could dissolve into chaos, but the 0bama regime does, and that is why they are placing their chess pieces in place right now.

Stevo

Stevo

[DallasSleeper]

I keep saying this, and nobody is paying attention. Americans WILL tolerate it. The large majority of them will. You might not, and good luck to you, but we're so outnumbered it will be a massacre. It's time to make peace with the fact that you are outnumbered, and this is the path we are on. Accept it and move on, no sense in getting worked up over things you can't change.

I don't doubt for a minute that the big city libtards will take what hand they are dealt. There will be bloodshed in the South though, I am certain of it. A lot of crazies will go all in on this issue.

Unfortunately I think you are both right, the Gov is smart enough to do this in baby steps. The sheep will just follow along until it is too late. Those that would fight will be unorganized and ineffective. I know some members on this board, myself included will fight. But it will not really do much. Then you will have those that run to the mountains, which will be rough to stay hidden in this day and age. I doubt that they will last long, those that try to fight it out in the cities will run out of food and water really quick.

The Gov has us where they want us.

[Shorty]

I don't doubt for a minute that the big city libtards will take what hand they are dealt. There will be bloodshed in the South though, I am certain of it. A lot of crazies will go all in on this issue.

I was taking my CHL renewal this past weekend and the instructors got pretty far off on a tangent concerning the government and pending action against guns (and other freedoms). One of them said something along the lines of "The crazies are always talking crazy. There is always the fringe. The majority of us just keep our heads down, go to work, get kicked in the teeth, and go home. Grin and take it. Real change is going to start when those are the people that start saying the things that the crazies have been saying. I think that is starting to happen." A couple minutes later one of the ladies that works there was talking about shooting UN troops on her porch.

tl;dr I agree that people will violently resist at some point.

[stevo]

You believing there are enough citizens to commit a full scale revolt is laughable. Like Bcoop said, there aren't enough people to make a dent in that scenario.

It wouldn't need to be a "full scale revolt" to get the 'shtf' event rolling. I think an event not larger than the Branch Davidian fiasco in Waco would do it.

My opinion is that one small event could set it off. Something from this regime, like 0bama doing a weapon ban like NY via EO.

Stevo