Where Oh Where Are the Paulbots?

[8mpg]

Ron Paul > you... at least he is a medical doctor

I kind of agree with him. Treatment for PTSD probably should be held in a doctors office, not on a live firing range. If this was just recreation and not a "treatment" of PTSD then Paul's comments shouldnt even offend you.

[Forever_frost]

Come on man... When ex-soldier do bad shit they always blame PTSD. Im not saying that everyone that suffers from PTSD will do something bad with a gun but there is a possibility. This is the same damn thing as cutters. They wont always do something but there is a chance they might. People who have killed before (war or not) may do it again when presented the opportunity. Just like any other psychopath, there is a chance, maybe not.

Which are an incredible minority of soldiers with PTSD that do not react badly. I have access to quite a bit of equipment and you don't see me on CNN shooting up towers. PTSD augments parts of your personality and you modify it with a TBI and you get some interesting combinations however, the blanket statement that those of us with PTSD are dangerous and shouldn't have weapons?

That sir, is bullshit

[jdgregory84]

Also, why is your post dated 2-7-12 when this happened a few days ago?

[8mpg]

It came from Paul's public voice, his twitter account. As there was not an immediate retraction and appology and someone fired over it, it makes him guilty. Yes, I'm taking it VERY personally. Especially dipshits who think because I have a mental illness I should be deprived of one of my rights.

You take just about everything that has to do with the military personally.

[jdgregory84]

It came from Paul's public voice, his twitter account. As there was not an immediate retraction and appology and someone fired over it, it makes him guilty. Yes, I'm taking it VERY personally. Especially dipshits who think because I have a mental illness I should be deprived of one of my rights.

At least you're thinking logically. With todays legal system you have to treat shit like this very carefully. At the risk of sounding like an asshole...get a grip. You're not the only soldier with PTSD and I'm sure that there are mixed emotions among those that do.

[8mpg]

You're comparing those of us with PTSD to cutters or drug addicts? Do explain kemosabe. For many of us, using our weapons is calming and is a form of therapy. Behind a rifle permits someone trained with it for years to turn off a very fast, very loud mind and just let your body perform muscle memory. It's the same reason I tear apart my M4 when I'm stressed. I can just turn off my mind and let my hands work. It's incredibly ignorant to believe that handing someone trained with it for years and who has actually slept with that weapon is going to make them dangerous.

Paul pretty much said that those of us who served deserve to die because we fought with weapons, we deserve to die by them. Fuck Paul. Kyle understood that a soldier with a weapon feels safe. That weapon is part of us as much as a hand or a leg. When we get out of the service we're disarmed. When we're rated with PTSD we're treated as paraiahs. Fuck that. Kyle was helping his brother get better. The fact that his brother snapped and killed him is a different story.

Come on man... When ex-soldier do bad shit they always blame PTSD. Im not saying that everyone that suffers from PTSD will do something bad with a gun but there is a possibility. This is the same damn thing as cutters. They wont always do something but there is a chance they might. People who have killed before (war or not) may do it again when presented the opportunity. Just like any other psychopath, there is a chance, maybe not.

[Forever_frost]

It came from Paul's public voice, his twitter account. As there was not an immediate retraction and appology and someone fired over it, it makes him guilty. Yes, I'm taking it VERY personally. Especially dipshits who think because I have a mental illness I should be deprived of one of my rights.

[jdgregory84]

I didn't say he did. It was mostly focused on 8mpg. Paul is ultimately responsible for what comes from his account. The "I didn't know it was tweeted under my name" is as lame as his excuse about the racist flier that was going out with his name on it

With shit like that all you can do is apologize for what somebody else did. You're taking this very personally and while it's understandable you know as well as I do that Paul didn't post that shit.

[Forever_frost]

I didn't say he did. It was mostly focused on 8mpg. Paul is ultimately responsible for what comes from his account. The "I didn't know it was tweeted under my name" is as lame as his excuse about the racist flier that was going out with his name on it

[jdgregory84]

You're comparing those of us with PTSD to cutters or drug addicts? Do explain kemosabe. For many of us, using our weapons is calming and is a form of therapy. Behind a rifle permits someone trained with it for years to turn off a very fast, very loud mind and just let your body perform muscle memory. It's the same reason I tear apart my M4 when I'm stressed. I can just turn off my mind and let my hands work. It's incredibly ignorant to believe that handing someone trained with it for years and who has actually slept with that weapon is going to make them dangerous.

Paul pretty much said that those of us who served deserve to die because we fought with weapons, we deserve to die by them. Fuck Paul. Kyle understood that a soldier with a weapon feels safe. That weapon is part of us as much as a hand or a leg. When we get out of the service we're disarmed. When we're rated with PTSD we're treated as paraiahs. Fuck that. Kyle was helping his brother get better. The fact that his brother snapped and killed him is a different story.

Again...do you honestly think Paul hears of a current event and think "Holy shit I can't wait to tweet a smartass comment about this."?

[Forever_frost]

Im still a fan of Paul regardless of this comment.

If you guys dont understand that giving a loaded gun to someone who is being treated for PTSD or "unstable" might go wrong, you are an idiot. You dont give drugs to a drug addict or a razor blade to a cutter. This is simply a risk that must have crossed Kyle's mind.

You're comparing those of us with PTSD to cutters or drug addicts? Do explain kemosabe. For many of us, using our weapons is calming and is a form of therapy. Behind a rifle permits someone trained with it for years to turn off a very fast, very loud mind and just let your body perform muscle memory. It's the same reason I tear apart my M4 when I'm stressed. I can just turn off my mind and let my hands work. It's incredibly ignorant to believe that handing someone trained with it for years and who has actually slept with that weapon is going to make them dangerous.

Paul pretty much said that those of us who served deserve to die because we fought with weapons, we deserve to die by them. Fuck Paul. Kyle understood that a soldier with a weapon feels safe. That weapon is part of us as much as a hand or a leg. When we get out of the service we're disarmed. When we're rated with PTSD we're treated as paraiahs. Fuck that. Kyle was helping his brother get better. The fact that his brother snapped and killed him is a different story.

[jdgregory84]

I find it hard to believe a 77 year old tweets much.

[8mpg]

Im still a fan of Paul regardless of this comment.

If you guys dont understand that giving a loaded gun to someone who is being treated for PTSD or "unstable" might go wrong, you are an idiot. You dont give drugs to a drug addict or a razor blade to a cutter. This is simply a risk that must have crossed Kyle's mind.

[Sgt Beavis]

We don't know if he's been critical of an individual soldier but it could be argued this man was the epitome of the soldier. The most deadly sniper is pretty much the pinnacle of the art of war

I totally agree. However, like every soldier, he just went where he was told. We never get a choice in the matter.

[Forever_frost]

We don't know if he's been critical of an individual soldier but it could be argued this man was the epitome of the soldier. The most deadly sniper is pretty much the pinnacle of the art of war