bush & cheney

[naynay]

War is hell, civilians pay the price of the poor decisions of their own leaders. Look at Japan, in 30 seconds we killed scores more than the 10 years in Iraq.

kinda what i was eluding to in response to chasity svo

[KBScobravert]

Sunnis killing Sheas and vice versa was happening before, during and after US occupation. We could never come close to the chaos that they cause amongst themselves.

The only time a human life means anything to those people is to either get paid for the death or cry against the Americans.

[KBScobravert]

War is hell, civilians pay the price of the poor decisions of their own leaders. Look at Japan, in 30 seconds we killed scores more than the 10 years in Iraq.

[Denny]

Doubt the majority of those were caused by US soldiers. Sectarian violence for 500 Alex?

-Eric

Edit: And tell me their definition of civilian.

Sunnis killing Sheas and vice versa was happening before, during and after US occupation. We could never come close to the chaos that they cause amongst themselves.

[Woods Racing Transmission]

I wonder how Thomas feels about how Obama let American's die in Benghazi?

[naynay]

Most of those "civilian" deaths were probably hostile, Rodney.

dont shoot the meesenger, i just google the facts!

[naynay]

Other than that, all the "Fuck you Bush/Cheney" fluff isn't anything more than someone trying to politicize their crying. Also find it kind of hypocritical for him to only Blame Bush and Cheney and not the congress that agreed to go to war or the intel from everyone that said we needed to go there or any number of things that can't be solely placed on a individual.

-Eric

i dont think he had enough space to list all of the congress members in the Title line. also why not sum it up to the commander in chief?

[Denny]

Most of those "civilian" deaths were probably hostile, Rodney.

[Denny]

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

111,827 - 122,306 civilian casualties since 2003.

217 in the month of march alone.

You do know that those numbers are only estimates, right?

Either way, it wasn't a total waste of effort. Just because a soldier who probably didn't want to go in the first place is crying, doesn't necessarily reflect all the ones that served out there.

[reo]

Doubt the majority of those were caused by US soldiers. Sectarian violence for 500 Alex?

-Eric

Edit: And tell me their definition of civilian.

[naynay]

The key figures IBC found are:

• 14,705 (13%) of all documented civilian deaths were reported as being
directly caused by the US-led coalition. The report notes that

Of the 4,040 civilian victims of US-led coalition forces for whom age data was available, 1,201 (29%) were children


• Over half of the civilian deaths caused by US-led coalition forces
occurred during the 2003 invasion and the sieges of Fallujah in 2004.
• Of the 45,779 victims for whom IBC was able to obtain age data, 3,911 (8.54%) were children under age 18.
• Police forces have been a major target, with 9,019 deaths reported - by
far the largest toll of any professional group.
• Baghdad, which contains roughly one fifth of the country's population,
has suffered roughly half of the recorded civilian deaths, or about 2.5
times more than the national average.

This shows what happened over time; the big peak in deaths being from 2006-2008. The report notes that

On a per-day basis, the highest intensity of civilian killings over a sustained period occurred during the first three "Shock and Awe" weeks of the 2003 invasion, when civilian deaths averaged 317 per day and totalled over 6,640 by April 9th, nearly all attributable to US-led coalition-forces, reaching 7,286 by the time of President GW Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech of 1st May 2003

[naynay]

This comment proves how clueless you are, cum stain.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

111,827 - 122,306 civilian casualties since 2003.

217 in the month of march alone.

[reo]

Personally, I feel his letter is bullshit, he makes it sound like everyone who went to Iraq hated Bush and felt the war was not needed. This is not the case. Bitching about the VA and blaming it on Bush too, give me a break. Claiming Bush doesn't care, I guess all those veteran groups he works with while trying to stay out of the public spotlight is for nothing then? I'll give this guy this much though, if you dig through it and remove the pussified liberal opportunitist blame game aside, he has a legitimate gripe. The overall strategy of the war there, it could have been done differently, possibly for the better. But we will never know for sure if it could have worked out any other way. The nation building that was done, should have been done differently and with more direction and goals. The heavy use of contractors and corporations that used the military as free labor, should not have been allowed. The VA being worthless and treating veterans like shit, doing their best to not take care of them. Other than that, all the "Fuck you Bush/Cheney" fluff isn't anything more than someone trying to politicize their crying. Also find it kind of hypocritical for him to only Blame Bush and Cheney and not the congress that agreed to go to war or the intel from everyone that said we needed to go there or any number of things that can't be solely placed on a individual.

-Eric

[KBScobravert]

I still can't believe we have people thinking Iraq was a complete waste. Some waste, yes. Some good come of it? Yes too.

Not to mention, these wars, along with the Fed's money injections and low interest rates, have saved this economy.

Improved my employment

[Denny]

I still can't believe we have people thinking Iraq was a complete waste. Some waste, yes. Some good come of it? Yes too.

Not to mention, these wars, along with the Fed's money injections and low interest rates, have saved this economy.