As requested: Racr's thread.

[Denny]

You've got his stance all fucked up, it's been explained before. Just because you do not believe something to exist does not mean you believe it to not exist.

The fuck did you just say?!?! LMFAO!

Anyway, so you're saying that he is not for sure. He doubts God exists, but is open to either conclusion once one is found backed by proof?

OK, bro... does God exist?

Yes

No

I don't know

Circle ONLY ONE!

[Maddhattter]

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

It's good to know that your forearms won't get tired either.

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

That's how the conversation has gone thus far, yes.

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

This is where the problem is. This assertion is one you've attempted put in my mouth before. I'll explain now what I explained then.

I don't believe that a god/gods exist. This does not mean that I believe there is no god/gods. A god/gods could exist.

However, thus far, theism has failed to meet it's burden of proof to demonstrate that it's positive assertion(a god/gods exist). This leaves me with the only reasonable position, the default position. The default position on any topic is not believing. Once sufficient evidence has been presented to demonstrate that a god/gods exist, I will change my position.

So, as I stated previously, there is no debate. I'm not claiming, nor attempting to demonstrate, that a god/gods do not exist. Nor am I attempting to convince anyone that a god/gods do not exist.

[racrguy]

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

You've got his stance all fucked up, it's been explained before. Just because you do not believe something to exist does not mean you believe it to not exist.

[Denny]

Nope.

Not only am I capable of switching hands when needed, but there's no debate here.

Aside from you're nonsense question and 4.6coupe's bad source, this has been more of a Q&A thread. That was, after all, why it started.

Nonsense? Yes.

(switching hands)

Do you believe that God exists? No.

Why? Because there is no proof of His existence.

Fine. Do you need proof to believe anything? Yes (Assuming so by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you maintain your consistency).

So you believe that God DOESN'T exist, based on what proof? (This is where you step in).

[racrguy]

lol

You finally beat me to a punch. You happy now?

Yes, now get me a motherfucking cookie, bish!

[Maddhattter]

lol

You finally beat me to a punch. You happy now?

[Maddhattter]

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

Nope.

Not only am I capable of switching hands when needed, but there's no debate here.

Aside from you're nonsense question and 4.6coupe's bad source, this has been more of a Q&A thread. That was, after all, why it started.

[racrguy]

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

[Denny]

Considering you've yet to bring anything of substance to these discussions, it's been no loss.

Man, that forearm must be tired by now...

[Maddhattter]

Speak your mind and get out. These guys jerk off to God/no-God debates.

I have to pull myself away as well most of the times.

Considering you've yet to bring anything of substance to these discussions, it's been no loss.

[Denny]

Speak your mind and get out. These guys jerk off to God/no-God debates.

I have to pull myself away as well most of the times.

[4.6coupe]

Not passive aggressive. I just realize we are both wasting our time.

Quit "fueling the fire."

No pun intended.

[quikag]

Not passive aggressive. I just realize we are both wasting our time.

[racrguy]

You were the one that didn't like my reference comparing you to Pharaoh. If it's just a story, then you can believe whatever you want about who you think Pharaoah is or isn't.

Your reference to the pharaoh was inferring I was ignorant of god, which I am not. You then went on with details and I was unsure if you were trying to pass it off as fact or not.

Just know there is one truth and you've placed your intelligence and intellect above those who believe the Bible as the inerrant word of God.

You are correct. However, given all the evidence or lack thereof, my stance is more likely to be true.

You certainly place a lot of faith in your logical deductioning skills over some extremely intelligent people. Of course, you don't have faith, but you know what I mean.

I know what you mean, but just because a person is smart in one area it doesn't mean they're smart in all areas. Isaac Newton, a genius by most people's account, was an alchemist. Because he was wrong about alchemy does that make him wrong about everything else he did? No, but he was wrong about alchemy.

We are in a circular discussion.

I agree. If you'd bring something new to the discussion, we could talk about it.

You will believe what you want and nothing I say will change that.

I agree with this as well. I don't care what you say, I only care what you can prove.

God will change your heart if He chooses.

Oooooooh, I like your passive aggressive style! It's almost as if you're saying "I've run out of arguments, so I'm going to leave it up to god."

[quikag]

Uhhhh, are you trying to pass these events off as fact, or fables from the bible?

You were the one that didn't like my reference comparing you to Pharaoh. If it's just a story, then you can believe whatever you want about who you think Pharaoah is or isn't. Just know there is one truth and you've placed your intelligence and intellect above those who believe the Bible as the inerrant word of God.

I think I've properly applied reason, logic, and skepticism, where they have made an error somewhere.

You certainly place a lot of faith in your logical deductioning skills over some extremely intelligent people. Of course, you don't have faith, but you know what I mean.

We are in a circular discussion. You will believe what you want and nothing I say will change that. God will change your heart if He chooses.