Gosnell case

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I agree FF, laws are known to be consistent.

[racrguy]

Not false. I can't murder something that isn't alive, right? If I can, elaborate as murder kind of requires something to be alive first.

Answer me something first. If I explain these concepts to you yet again will you shut up about it?

[Forever_frost]

Not false. I can't murder something that isn't alive, right? If I can, elaborate as murder kind of requires something to be alive first.

[racrguy]

No idea how this is even a debate. If I can be charged with murdering it, it's alive. Pretty simple

False. As has been explained to you before. Why do you guys not come up with better arguments when it's so easy to make you look like fools? Do you think if you say the same bullshit enough times it'll somehow become true?

[Forever_frost]

No idea how this is even a debate. If I can be charged with murdering it, it's alive. Pretty simple

[slow06]

When doctors tell me that a fetus that can kick, turn, react to light, has a heartbeat, and so forth isn't alive, then I'll agree with you. If I shoot a pregnant woman and kill her and her fetus I get charged with two counts not one. Can't have the cake and eat it too.

As much as abortion sickens me, I see no authority of the federal government in abortion however if these statists want government involved, then suck it up, it's involved.

Agreed. It is either alive or not. You can't call it murder on one hand and not the other.

[Forever_frost]

When doctors tell me that a fetus that can kick, turn, react to light, has a heartbeat, and so forth isn't alive, then I'll agree with you. If I shoot a pregnant woman and kill her and her fetus I get charged with two counts not one. Can't have the cake and eat it too.

As much as abortion sickens me, I see no authority of the federal government in abortion however if these statists want government involved, then suck it up, it's involved.

[slow06]

As sperm was mentioned and not the child, that is the applicable definition. Did you not say sperm?

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Yep you did

He clearly means when the fetus is viable, since you don't abort sperm.

Feel free to disagree with his opinion, personally I do, but it is not entirely unreasonable to say life begins when a fetus is able to live outside of the womb.

The bottom line is we have to define when life begins. If you ask me I would say at the first heartbeat. Legislate from there. I would encourage personal responsibility that goes farther, including abortion not ever being an option, but that is just me. I won't let the government define my moral standard, be it more or less strict on any given subject (although I will obey the law).

[Forever_frost]

As sperm was mentioned and not the child, that is the applicable definition. Did you not say sperm?

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What is this, the catholic fucking church? Every sperm is not sacred.

Yep you did

[racrguy]

I believe he is referring to this:

vi·a·ble [ v əb'l ]
practicable or worthwhile: able to be done or worth doing
able to grow: able to germinate or develop normally
able to survive outside womb: describes a fetus that can survive outside the womb

Way to NOT choose the correct definition for the conversation..

[Forever_frost]

If you are struggling with the word "viable" in the context of this discussion, you may want to take a step back and read up on the subject a little as you are considerably far behind.

I believe he is referring to this:

vi·a·ble [ v əb'l ]
practicable or worthwhile: able to be done or worth doing
able to grow: able to germinate or develop normally
able to survive outside womb: describes a fetus that can survive outside the womb

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If you are struggling with the word "viable" in the context of this discussion, you may want to take a step back and read up on the subject a little as you are considerably far behind.

[Forever_frost]

I don't believe he said sacred. I think he said Viable.

Would you like a breakdown of what each word means?

[racrguy]

What is this, the catholic fucking church? Every sperm is not sacred.

[Aceman85turbo]

I do not think that word means what you think it means, you were "Viable" when you squirted from your dad's dong.