no more abortions!

[Maddhattter]

Opportunity costs. Since they are free to use their government funds to run day to day programs, they are free to use 'other funds' to fund abortion.

Irrelevant. The subsidies provided by the federal government are not used to provide abortions outside of allowed uses per the Hyde Amendment. What a private company does with their profits is outside the scope of where the federal funds are being used.

Otherwise, you'd have to support removing federal funding and subsidies from all private hospitals as well as those associated with religious groups.

If someone wants one, they should have to pony up the FULL cost themselves.

Then they should for every other medical procedure. After all the point of this bill was to make abortion clinics get treated like every other clinic, right?

Everyone missed the part where 20 weeks is still the cutoff. That wasn't struck down

I don't know that anyone missed this fact. Ultimately, nobody really cared. As I stated in a previous post, outside of a few medical issues (which, to my knowledge, were exempted in this bill), no one was really challenging this point of the bill.

[Forever_frost]

Everyone missed the part where 20 weeks is still the cutoff. That wasn't struck down

[Forever_frost]

Outside the usage allowed under the Hyde amendment, it can't. Planned Parenthood keeps detailed public records of their finances to consistently verify that they are not using the money for abortions.

Your naivete not withstanding, this baseless assertion cannot be proven because all the evidence supports the fact that you are not funding abortions, outside of the allowances made in the Hyde amendment.

Opportunity costs. Since they are free to use their government funds to run day to day programs, they are free to use 'other funds' to fund abortion. If someone wants one, they should have to pony up the FULL cost themselves.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Obviously, we disagree, and apparently a majority of voters and their representatives.

The problem is, you are stuck on the for or against the issue, and you've missed the forest for the trees.

I'm not for abortion. Never said I was. I'm against government involvement. If the state and many voters decided that nothing good happens between 2 am and 5 am, and made it a mandatory blackout period with no travel or out door activities during that time without exigent circumstances, you would be against that, right?

[GhostTX]

Im not getting into that debate. Everyone has a differing opinion on it, and in the end, it just ain't any of our buisness.

Obviously, we disagree, and apparently a majority of voters and their representatives.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Yes. Any place in the Texas Constitution? By the way, you're grasping for straws. Besides, a LAW was passed that didn't violate anything in the TX Constitution as well.


I agree. And personal responsibility would be raising a child, not killing it because it's too inconvenient.

We already have laws against murder, so how is this different? Other than the small nuance that you're hung up on when exactly a fetus/baby becomes a human being.

Im not getting into that debate. Everyone has a differing opinion on it, and in the end, it just ain't any of our buisness.

[GhostTX]

You are aware that Texas has a state constitution as well, right?

Yes. Any place in the Texas Constitution? By the way, you're grasping for straws. Besides, a LAW was passed that didn't violate anything in the TX Constitution as well.

Yeah, I'm a guy who believes in personal responsibility. I agree, the government should not be involved in any way, shape or form.

I agree. And personal responsibility would be raising a child, not killing it because it's too inconvenient.

We already have laws against murder, so how is this different? Other than the small nuance that you're hung up on when exactly a fetus/baby becomes a human being.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I'm against paying for them. BTW, I thought you were a guy?

Yeah, I'm a guy who believes in personal responsibility. I agree, the government should not be involved in any way, shape or form.

[Maddhattter]

Yet you stated my money DOES provide for abortions, exceptions or not.

A point that I already conceded.

There's no valid way to even prove those "exceptions".

Only if you ignore all the evidence.

[Vertnut]

Outside the usage allowed under the Hyde amendment, it can't. Planned Parenthood keeps detailed public records of their finances to consistently verify that they are not using the money for abortions.

Your naivete not withstanding, this baseless assertion cannot be proven because all the evidence supports the fact that you are not funding abortions, outside of the allowances made in the Hyde amendment.

Yet you stated my money DOES provide for abortions, exceptions or not. There's no valid way to even prove those "exceptions".

[Maddhattter]

I'm not that naive. Even though they say taxpayer money can't be "allocated" for it, that's a crock. It can't be proven.

Outside the usage allowed under the Hyde amendment, it can't. Planned Parenthood keeps detailed public records of their finances to consistently verify that they are not using the money for abortions.

Your naivete not withstanding, this baseless assertion cannot be proven because all the evidence supports the fact that you are not funding abortions, outside of the allowances made in the Hyde amendment.

[Vertnut]

Then don't pay for them. No one is being forced to get, or pay for, an abortion.

I'm not that naive. Even though they say taxpayer money can't be "allocated" for it, that's a crock. It can't be proven.

[Maddhattter]

Not true. If you pay federal taxes, you're paying for abortions no matter if you like it or not.

You are right. My blanket statement was painting with too broad a brush.

However, it's only in cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life was physically endangered that Medicaid can cover them. Even then, removing a woman's biological autonomy is not, in my opinion, the way to go about resolving that issue.

[Forever_frost]

Then don't pay for them. No one is being forced to get, or pay for, an abortion.

Not true. If you pay federal taxes, you're paying for abortions no matter if you like it or not.

[Forever_frost]

They're cheaper than the alternative


He is, doesn't mean he likes the government telling him what to do with his body.

And killing people suspected of a crime is cheaper than an actual trial. Cops kicking in your door because they think something may be in there that would interest them is cheaper and easier than a warrant.