no more abortions!

[SS Junk]

False.

Oh I see where you're going, but it's wrong and makes you wrong. For a full term baby to survive the umbilical cord is necessary until birth.

[racrguy]

Controlling? If the woman showed some control and responsibility, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place. I love how it's about a woman's choice, but the woman doesn't want to own up to her responsibility due to her lack of making good choices early on.

And the surgical side? To get ANY OTHER minor out-patient surgery, those places have to have all the requirements that are now placed on abortion outfits, and in most cases, the abortion is much more intrusive. So if it's about woman's safety, wouldn't it make sense to have the cleanest place available AND have hospital admittance should something go wrong?



20 week fetus



And it's been proven they dream at that state.

By the way, here's a HuffPo poll...showing a majority of Americans want an abortion ban after 20 weeks:


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/1...20-weeks-5930/

Majority rules, minority rights.

[racrguy]

Advances in NICU have made premature births far more survivable. 18 week fetuses have been delivered safely and grown into healthy children/adults. In fact, by 23 weeks, the survival rate is around 70%. And the NICU exists because sometimes even near full term babies can have issues.

Do you differentiate between a machine assiting in life function, or a body?

The earliest I've seen a child live from is 21 weeks 5 days, and there was a record claimed, that has happened twice. Do you have a link about your 18 week birth/survival?

That's up until the umbilical cord is cut after birth.

False.

[big_tiger]

If you can't decide by 20 weeks, you should be aborted. This gives another thing the national media to harp on instead of bigger issues.

[Forever_frost]

The next step should absolutely be to make welfare limited and have it stop all together after x number of months during your life with it cutting off after y months during any single use. No more generational welfare

[Forever_frost]

You are in absolutely no place whatsoever to mention responsibility to anyone.


Heartbeat =/= alive.

If a heartbeat doesn't mean alive, explain how you're alive.

This doesn't do away with abortions, it means you can't kill the baby after 5 months. If it takes you 5 months, something is wrong with you and the regulations on having admitting privileges and being a surgical center will keep Gosnell from happening again because Houston had it's own baby butcher that is still in business

[blownaltered]

If population control is your reason, let's become China. I agree that people are having kids that don't need kids. This thread isn't about a ban on abortion all together, it's about the states ruling on abortions after 20 weeks.....is it right or wrong!?

If they go to 20 weeks, they can go to adoption.

I was using it as an example that sometimes abortion isn't a bad thing. But to answer your question I have no problem with them banning abortions past 20 weeks, I actually think that is too far along in a pregnancy to abort. I'm always torn on this subject because I honestly don't agree with abortions but at the same time can we afford to pay for all these kids to grow up on the government tit.

[diablo rojo]

I have to agree. You have to pass a test to drive but any dipshit can have a kid. My step sister in law had 4 kids before she was 22. She is a drugged up bitch that lives off the government. She doesn't raise one of them the grandparents do and she collects all the money. One of the kids is half retarded because her mom was on drugs while pregnant. So there is an example of 4 more children being supported by our tax dollars.

If population control is your reason, let's become China. I agree that people are having kids that don't need kids. This thread isn't about a ban on abortion all together, it's about the states ruling on abortions after 20 weeks.....is it right or wrong!?

If they go to 20 weeks, they can go to adoption.

[GhostTX]

I'm ultra conservative on MOST issues, but not abortion. Sorry. The less children brought into this world to a bunch of fucked up crack heads and immature losers the better. Yes they should use birth control, but they're too fucking lazy or stupid to do so. we're probably supporting their ass. I'd go as far to say you can use the Lone Star card for your contraception, the morning after pill or even yes, an abortion. Most of these aborted kids will have terrible lives of poverty and no chance of a decent life.
I don't weigh in on this debate much because I know it's a hot issue, but i', jut being candid

Limiting welfare is another issue to address so we don't support habits like this.

[blownaltered]

I'm ultra conservative on MOST issues, but not abortion. Sorry. The less children brought into this world to a bunch of fucked up crack heads and immature losers the better. Yes they should use birth control, but they're too fucking lazy or stupid to do so. we're probably supporting their ass. I'd go as far to say you can use the Lone Star card for your contraception, the morning after pill or even yes, an abortion. Most of these aborted kids will have terrible lives of poverty and no chance of a decent life.
I don't weigh in on this debate much because I know it's a hot issue, but i', jut being candid

I have to agree. You have to pass a test to drive but any dipshit can have a kid. My step sister in law had 4 kids before she was 22. She is a drugged up bitch that lives off the government. She doesn't raise one of them the grandparents do and she collects all the money. One of the kids is half retarded because her mom was on drugs while pregnant. So there is an example of 4 more children being supported by our tax dollars.

[GhostTX]

This had nothing to do with the safety of women, and everything with controlling what women do with their bodies. If anything, this just made abortions more dangerous for women because they'll be "back alley" abortions due to a lack of availability.

Controlling? If the woman showed some control and responsibility, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place. I love how it's about a woman's choice, but the woman doesn't want to own up to her responsibility due to her lack of making good choices early on.

And the surgical side? To get ANY OTHER minor out-patient surgery, those places have to have all the requirements that are now placed on abortion outfits, and in most cases, the abortion is much more intrusive. So if it's about woman's safety, wouldn't it make sense to have the cleanest place available AND have hospital admittance should something go wrong?

It's not murder if its not alive.


Really? Lol.. How's it feel, looking at the world through those lenses?

20 week fetus



And it's been proven they dream at that state.

By the way, here's a HuffPo poll...showing a majority of Americans want an abortion ban after 20 weeks:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/11/landslide-huffpo-poll-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-support-abortion-ban-after-20-weeks-5930/

[diablo rojo]

Man, I'd hope that as the child approaches its first birthday it would survive!

Fuck.....

[Sean88gt]

Advances in NICU have made premature births far more survivable. 18 month fetuses have been delivered safely and grown into healthy children/adults. In fact, by 23 weeks, the survival rate is around 70%. And the NICU exists because sometimes even near full term babies can have issues.

Do you differentiate between a machine assiting in life function, or a body?

Man, I'd hope that as the child approaches its first birthday it would survive!

[diablo rojo]

Yeah right! Look at -most- low class hoods, it does not matter race - they just keep popping them out. The problem is they DO NOT get abortions and/or they continue to get aid and never really suffer.



I've seen first hand what a NICU can do. Mine were fairly premature, and there was one in there at around 24 weeks when she arrived.

The problem is, mine were not in there all THAT long and did not have any serious problems after birth (just had to get them eating/breathing - which I know is a miracle and seems minor-ish these days even compared to 20 years ago)..........anyway, my bill was somewhere between 500-750K (can't remember exact details). I had my wife's insurance and mine, so we ended up not being too far out of pocket.

A lot of people having babies that want abortions are...

1. Too young
2. Too immature
3. Too stupid

...there was a time they'd primarily pay for their mistakes. Now a days, whether it is NICU, diapers or baby food - it's society who also has a heavy burden for all these mistakes.

Then they make the mistakes over and over again. Some 4-5 times by the time they are 17.

Wow, I just went on a babble session. Point is, who is going to pay for all this crap? Abortion, no abortion - feels like the average tax payer pays for it all.

I don't disagree with you. There are no easy answers. But 4 months is a long time and unacceptable in my book.

[SS Junk]

The ability to maintain bodily functions without relying on the bodily functions of another.

That's up until the umbilical cord is cut after birth. You are a smart one.