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    Just over a month ago, St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner predicted that the Santa Monica College shooting on June 7, in which five people were killed and several more injured, would provoke efforts to regulate the "80% complete" lower receiver market. This is because the shooter, who, because of a history of mental illness, could not legally buy guns, had apparently built his AR-15 from such a receiver.

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    The lower receiver of an AR-15 is the gun, for legal purposes, so all the remaining necessary parts can be bought without background checks or the government's permission (or even knowledge). An incomplete lower receiver, though, is also not considered a gun, so it too can be bought and sold as just what it is--an inert hunk of metal.

    Now, longtime rabidly anti-gun Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA) proposes to change that, announcing yesterday that he will soon introduce the "Gun Violence Prevention and Reduction Act of 2013," which, along with dramatically expanding the federal government's role in mental health care, would ban "80% complete" lower receivers. From NBC Los Angeles:

    The mass shooting that left five people dead in Santa Monica is the reason a California congressman wants to make it illegal for people to buy parts on the Internet to build their own weapons.

    Congressman Henry Waxman, D-Santa Monica, made the announcement at a gun violence forum held on the Santa Monica College campus Monday.

    . . .

    Waxman said he’ll introduce a federal law to ban the Internet sale of gun kits that allow people to build their own homemade assault weapons.

    The full text may not be available for some time (as the bill has not yet been introduced), but Waxman provides a summary on his website. He also provides the "study" that supposedly explains the need for this legislation, full of breathlessly fearful lamentations about a "thriving market that exists for 80% completed lower receivers that circumvent federal and state background check and other gun laws."

    What Waxman hopes to accomplish here is a bit murky. Even if such legislation passes (a very dubious prospect, given current political realities)--let's say 80% complete receivers are banned. What, then, is to stop manufacturers from offering 79% complete receivers. Sure--those could eventually be banned, too, but at some point, Congress would be reduced to banning a block of metal (or polymer, for that matter, with the parts to be milled out color-coded to make the finishing easier)

    3-d printed guns (oddly, Waxman has not yet signed onto the bill to try to ban those), "build parties," and "80% complete" receivers, widespread access to sophisticated CNC equipment--the government cannot block all of those avenues by which we the people can break any "government monopoly on force," and is indeed unlikely to succeed in blocking any of them.

    That terrifies the likes of Rep. Waxman, Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)--and that alone makes it a good thing for America.


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  • #2
    You might as well try to ban malicious thoughts. Timothy McVeigh did more damage with some diesel fuel and fertilizer than anyone could do with the most awesome assault rifle.

    If someone wants to kill they'll figure out a way.

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    • #3
      So ban blocks of metal?
      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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      • #4
        Originally posted by YALE View Post
        So ban blocks of metal?
        No shit. Ryder is cheaper to rent anyway.

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        • #5
          50 years from now when the fedgov has 'banned' every firearm one can imagine, there will still be drive-bys in Oak Cliff....

          Have we reached the level of liberal utopia yet?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gargamel View Post
            50 years from now when the fedgov has 'banned' every firearm one can imagine, there will still be drive-bys in Oak Cliff...
            Yep, molotov cocktails work better anyway.

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            • #7
              He wasn't that mentally ill now was he? Smart enough to assemble a weapon from a pile of parts.
              Rich

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TexasT View Post
                He wasn't that mentally ill now was he? Smart enough to assemble a weapon from a pile of parts.
                Mentally ill doesn't mean dumb.
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                • #9
                  Looks like it is time to get into the 70% lower business

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                  • #10
                    You can build a 9mm submachine gun easier than you can complete an 80% lower for. The Dutch did it in bike shops during WWII, and Luty's build is even easier. This is a joke.
                    Originally posted by lincolnboy
                    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                      You can build a 9mm submachine gun easier than you can complete an 80% lower for. The Dutch did it in bike shops during WWII, and Luty's build is even easier. This is a joke.
                      What 9mm you talking about?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pokulski-Blatz View Post
                        What 9mm you talking about?
                        I think he's talking about a Suomi.
                        ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pokulski-Blatz View Post
                          What 9mm you talking about?
                          The Dutch built Sten guns and P.A. Luty's build is even easier.

                          If you have a Sten parts kit you can built a post sample machine gun with a section a pipe.
                          Originally posted by lincolnboy
                          After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gargamel View Post
                            50 years from now when the fedgov has 'banned' every firearm one can imagine, there will still be drive-bys in Oak Cliff....

                            Have we reached the level of liberal utopia yet?
                            Detroit did

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                            • #15
                              Tine to start making 75% complete lowers

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