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    50 Dangers from Obamacare
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    This list contains information pulled from the first House bill HR 3200. Its mandates and threats likely survived in one form or another into the 2080 page monster from the Senate. This list therefore is only a guide. Let them make you wary and on the alert against this attack on your freedoms. Let it be the catalyst to get you to do your own research and then go out and teach your family and friends why we have to fight this move by people who want to enslave us.

    The first list is all 50 of the threats.

    In the second list the threats are organized in categories.

    Download the sections that most affect you and go into battle against this bill. Copy this material and pass it around to everyone you can.


    50 Threats from ObamaCare

    1) Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?

    2) Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

    3) Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

    4) Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

    5) PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

    6) Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.

    7) Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.

    8) PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.

    9) Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.

    10) PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.

    11) PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.

    12) Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.

    13) PG 85, line 7 provides for specifics on benefit levels for Medicare recipients, basically rationing the care of every senior citizen I the United States.

    14) PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.

    15) Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.

    16) Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.

    17) Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.

    18) Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.

    19) Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.

    20) Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    21) Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.

    22) Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.

    23) Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.

    24) PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

    25) Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.

    26) Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.

    27) PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment.

    28) PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!

    29) PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

    30) PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.

    31) Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.

    32) Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?

    33) Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.

    34) Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.

    35) pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!

    36) Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care and insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor! This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!

    37) Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.

    38) Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.

    39) Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.

    40) PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.

    41) Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.

    42) PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!

    43) PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!

    44) Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.

    45) PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.

    46) Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.

    47) PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    48) Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?

    49) PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.

    50) Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.

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    • #17
      Down loadable breakdown by category:




      •For those concerned with the damage this plan will do to business:

      Pg 22 mandates that the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure. So every employer in the United States will be subjected to a health insurance audit just as all taxpayers are subject to audit. Of course, we will have to pay for an entire new bureaucracy to do this–the Internal Health Revenue Service?

      Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

      PG 50, section 152 states that free, taxpayer-paid health care will be given to the 30 million non-citizens in the USA, even illegal aliens.

      Pg 30, Sec 123 states that there will be a government committee that decides what treatments you are allowed and what your overall benefits are.

      Pg 29, lines 4-16 basically mandates the rationing of health care as is being done in Canada.

      Pg 42 recognizes the power of the Health Choices Commissioner to determine your health benefits. You will have no choice.

      Pg 58 states that government will have possession of all your health care records & history including finances and you will have to have a National ID Healthcard.

      Pg 59, lines 21-24 gives direct access to your banks accounts to compel you to pay any out-of-pocket or premium costs electronically without your previous consent.

      Pg 72, lines 8-14 creates a Health Care Exchange to bring private health insurance plans under government control. This part of the bill reveals Obama’s lies about being able to keep your plan if you like it. Any health insurance plan which does not completely rework itself to conform to these regulations will be dropped from the exchange and those insured will have to pick one of the plans in the exchange. This is why the Congressional Budget Office determined that over 20 million will lose the coverage they are now enjoying if Obamacare is implemented.

      Pg 145, line 15-17 any employer not currently insuring their employees must enroll employees into public plan option, with no choice of private insurance allowed.

      Pg 126, lines 22-25 mandates that employers must pay for health insurance even for part-time workers and their families, which will certainly lead to massive layoffs.

      Pg 149, lines 16-24 all employers with an annual payroll bigger than $400k who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll.

      Pg 167, lines 18-23 any individual who is self-employed and does not have health insurance will be taxed 2.5% of income and forced to accept public health insurance. So paying for health care out of pocket will be banned from the face of the earth.

      For those concerned with the inherent unfairness in this plan.

      PG 65, sec 164 provides for a political payoff from the Democrats and Obama; a special subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions community groups like ACORN.

      PG 102, lines 12-18 mandates that all Medicaid eligible will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid based upon income and insurance status. No choice.

      Pg 124, lines 24-25 states that no private company or individual can have the right to sue the federal government for medical price fixing, basically eliminating your right to seek redress in the courts regarding your medical care.

      Pg 469 mandates “Community Based Home Medical Services” through non profits like ACORN. Happy yet that we elected a community organizer to the White House?

      •For those afraid of healthcare rationing:

      PG 85, line 7 provides specifics for benefit levels for all health plans, giving government the right to ration everyone’s healthcare.

      Pg 239, line 14-24 mandates that available physician services will be reduced for Medicaid recipients. Many poor people including many seniors will be affected.

      PG 272, Sec. 1145 regulates the operation of certain types of cancer hospitals, again rationing the care of cancer patients.

      •For those concerned with the costs of this plan:

      PG 91, lines 4-7 mandates that doctor’s offices, clinics and hospitals provide language-appropriate services, basically ordering them to hire translators at the expense of the American taxpayer.

      Pg 95, lines 8-18 allows the government to hire non-profit community groups like ACORN and Americorps to sign up people for the government health plan.

      Pg 170, lines 1-3 exempts non-resident aliens from the individual health care taxes, so Americans citizens will pay for these aliens, legal and illegal alike.

      PG 489, Sec 1308 force taxpayers to pay for Marriage & Family therapy under the public insurance plan.

      •For those concerned with the damage this plan will do to the medical profession:

      Pg 127, lines 1-16 dictates doctors’ payment and therefore income which will reduce what doctors earn and lead to greater shortages of doctors and more rationing of care.

      Pg 150, lines 9-13 mandates that employers with an annual payroll between $251K & $400K who does not pay to enroll employees in public insurance option will pay a 2-6% tax on all payroll.

      Pg 241, line 6-8 mandates that all doctors receive the same pay, regardless of specialty. This will vastly reduce the number of specialists available in the United States, a common problem where medicine is socialized like Canada.

      PG 253, line 10-18 allows the federal government to set the value of doctor’s time, professional judgment.

      PG 265, Sec 1131 mandates and controls the productivity of all health care providers including surgeons!

      Page 280, Sec 1151 allows the government to penalize hospitals for what is deemed to be preventable readmissions. So instead of being sued for malpractice, the government will be the punitive body when mistakes are made.

      Pg 298, lines 9-11 mandates that if a doctor treats a patient during initial admission and that result in a re-admission, the doctor will be subject to federal penalties. Gee do you think that’s going to drive up the cost of malpractice?

      Pg 317, lines 13-20 will create prohibitions on ownership and investment in the health service industry for doctors.

      Pg 317-318, lines 21-25, and 1-3 will prohibit the expansion of all hospitals.

      pg 321, lines 2-13 allows hospitals apply for an exception to the expansion rule but they must seek community input first!

      Pg335, lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 mandates the establishment of outcome based health care and insidious idea that actually limits the treatment choices made by patients with their doctors, based upon the patient’s health and condition. This will result in the oldest, weakest and sickest patients being denied treatments simply because the statistics for success in their demographic category are poor! This is a form of health care rationing that will save money at the expense of seniors to help buy insurance for the uninsured, most of whom are young and healthy!

      Pg 341, lines 3-9 allows the government to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans and HMO forcing people into the government run public plan.

      •For those concerned with violations of individual rights violations in this plan:

      Pg 195 officers & employees of the new Health Care Administration will have access to all Americans personal financial records and accounts.

      PG 203, line 14-15 actually says that “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

      PG 268, Sec 1141 regulates the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

      Pg 379, Sec 1191 mandates the creation of even more bureaucracy in the Telehealth Advisory Committee.

      PG 425, lines 4-12 mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation,” another insidious vehicle to save money by encouraging seniors who are in poor health to be more accepting of death rather than fighting to stay alive and healthy and with their loved ones.

      Pg 425, lines 17-19 mandates that all senior patients will be consulted regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.

      PG 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3 provides an approved list of end of life resources, to help guide seniors about the process of dying!

      PG 427, lines 15 mandates program for orders on the end of life, actually giving the government a say in how your life ends!

      Pg 429, lines 1-9 dictates the frequency with which an Advance Care Planning Consultant will have to meet with patients as their health deteriorates.

      PG 429, lines 10-12 give an Advance Care Planning Consultant the power to order end of life plans for a patient.

      Pg 354, Sec 1177 will arbitrarily restrict the enrollment of special needs children and adults.

      Pg 429, lines 13-25 will only allow certain doctors, not necessarily your own physician, to write an end of life order.

      PG 430, lines 11-15 allows the government to decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

      Pg 494-498 allows government to define mental illnesses and what services will be allowed to treat, again rationing this care.


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      • #18
        Scary, scary shit.
        Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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        • #19
          sickening...just freakin' sickening.

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          • #20
            So how does Obamacare look at an unborn fetus? Assuming they aren't aborted if it's given patient status the hospital has to care for it until it's old enough to feed and medicate itself.

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            • #21
              There's a typo above. Obummercare is already costing people jobs and hours, effectively cutting folk's pay in advance, and many of that group are the ones it's supposed to help.

              I keep thinking "We're from the government, and we're here to help" as they try to convince you to grab you ankles, wild Willie style.
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              • #22
                This is another thing where I don't know a single person that thinks Obamacare is a good idea. That's from lower income on up. So, how is it still happening?
                Originally posted by MR EDD
                U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chas_svo View Post
                  There's a typo above. Obummercare is already costing people jobs and hours, effectively cutting folk's pay in advance, and many of that group are the ones it's supposed to help.

                  I keep thinking "We're from the government, and we're here to help" as they try to convince you to grab you ankles, wild Willie style.
                  Exactly. I'm part time at my job right now and had my hours cut. A company memo went out to us telling us that we can now average no more than 28 hours per week. FUCK OBAMA AND ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT PRES.
                  "You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating Fruit Loops on your front porch"

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                  • #24
                    Is it even possible to repeal this? Obviously not for the next 4 years as he isn't out until 2016.

                    But could the next presidential candidates make their platform on "I'll repeal obamacare".

                    Now, them actually doing something other than lie to us is different. Since this isn't an constitutional amendment, it should be able to be killed right?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                      This is another thing where I don't know a single person that thinks Obamacare is a good idea. That's from lower income on up. So, how is it still happening?
                      It's obammys legacy, and he's too proud to give up on his legacy and admit defeat.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                        If I decide to protest and not buy insurance next year, I am going to attempt to minimize the damage by claiming the maximum dependents on my W2 form. If I owe them money, instead of getting a refund, then they won't have any money to keep since they are supposedly only going to keep your refund to pay the tax.


                        You're not half as smart as you think you are. Good luck with all of that.
                        Originally posted by BradM
                        But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                        Originally posted by Leah
                        In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by IHaveAMustang View Post
                          Is it even possible to repeal this? Obviously not for the next 4 years as he isn't out until 2016.

                          But could the next presidential candidates make their platform on "I'll repeal obamacare".

                          Now, them actually doing something other than lie to us is different. Since this isn't an constitutional amendment, it should be able to be killed right?
                          The only way out now, is to "de-fund" it through the House, since they are over spending.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                            You're not half as smart as you think you are. Good luck with all of that.
                            Thanks for the vote of confidence.

                            Last edited by line-em-up; 08-28-2013, 03:51 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Sooo can I just say I'm Muslim and be exempt?

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