Hobby Lobby contraception case going to Supreme Court

[Forever_frost]

We dont share the same opinion then. The only reason employers started offering health ins plans was for it to be a benefit to help in hiring employees. The insurance co's put together a "group buy discount" so that they could sell it to companies.

So when looking for a job, one of the 'perks' was to get offered health coverage, and that may sway you to choosing that company, even if the pay wasnt equal. Now we expect it to be offered, and make laws to ensure that it happens.

100% right.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Past a certain amount of employees, yes they should. I'd be willing to offer a trade perhaps. End all business lobbying and campaign contributions in this country and make the rest of the playing field a little more fair, and maybe I'd change my opinion.

We dont share the same opinion then. The only reason employers started offering health ins plans was for it to be a benefit to help in hiring employees. The insurance co's put together a "group buy discount" so that they could sell it to companies.

So when looking for a job, one of the 'perks' was to get offered health coverage, and that may sway you to choosing that company, even if the pay wasnt equal. Now we expect it to be offered, and make laws to ensure that it happens.

[Forever_frost]

because employers should be forced to offer health insurance?

They aren't even saying they won't pay for health insurance or birth control. They said there are 4 of 20 birth control options they won't pay for. You want those? You go pay for it.

because employers should be forced to offer health insurance?

Past a certain amount of employees, yes they should. I'd be willing to offer a trade perhaps. End all business lobbying and campaign contributions in this country and make the rest of the playing field a little more fair, and maybe I'd change my opinion.

[Baron Von Crowder]

You know. Those people.

As if corporations don't already have enough fucking power in this country. The "Go work somewhere else" argument only works until every employer out there is offering some sort of asinine bullshit excuse to not cover something. I hope Hobby Lobby tanks. I'll never buy anything there again. If you want to celebrate your religion go open a fucking church.

because employers should be forced to offer health insurance?

You know. Those people.

As if corporations don't already have enough fucking power in this country. The "Go work somewhere else" argument only works until every employer out there is offering some sort of asinine bullshit excuse to not cover something. I hope Hobby Lobby tanks. I'll never buy anything there again. If you want to celebrate your religion go open a fucking church.

[YALE]

Couldn't a company use this decision to opt out of the ACA entirely?

[racrguy]

what do you mean? Who is "they"

I thought the answer to this question was relatively clear.

Regardless: The SCOTUS and the government need to decide and stick with either the idea that a corporation is a person or if it's not.

[Baron Von Crowder]

My wording was a bit strong, but now that they can do this what are they going to try to get away with next?

what do you mean? Who is "they"

[racrguy]

They aren't forcing shit. The employees can still buy birth control and work there, the company just isn't going to pay fir it,

calm down, nobody is forcing anybody to do or not do a goddamn thing here.

My wording was a bit strong, but now that they can do this what are they going to try to get away with next?

[jakesford]

Right answer...

They aren't forcing the employee to do anything.
They aren't forcing the employer to do anything.

If the employee doesn't like it, purchase it personally, or find a new job.

[Baron Von Crowder]

What the fuck!? Now employers can force employees to live by their religious tenets? Fuck this. They get one right with the cell phone decision a while back, then they go and fuck it up with this bullshit.

calm down, nobody is forcing anybody to do or not do a goddamn thing here.

They aren't forcing shit. The employees can still buy birth control and work there, the company just isn't going to pay fir it,

exactly. You they arent blocking anyone from doing it, they just arent forcing the company to pay for it.

[sc281]

What the fuck!? Now employers can force employees to live by their religious tenets? Fuck this. They get one right with the cell phone decision a while back, then they go and fuck it up with this bullshit.

They aren't forcing shit. The employees can still buy birth control and work there, the company just isn't going to pay fir it,

This is going to have far reaching negative implications. Disturbing.

[racrguy]

What the fuck!? Now employers can force employees to live by their religious tenets? Fuck this. They get one right with the cell phone decision a while back, then they go and fuck it up with this bullshit.