Hobby Lobby contraception case going to Supreme Court

[Chili]

If they cite religious reasons for declining to pay for specific medical care, that would be forcing that employee to adhere to their religious beliefs.

I disagree. As was mentioned, they would not be precluded from going out and buying it on their own. They just don't want to pay for it.

Forcing them to adhere would be to say that they banned employees from using those types of BC altogether. Similar to how some companies forbid their employees from smoking.

IMO, the discrimination angle is the real crux here. If your actions disproportionately impact one protected class over others, even if unintentional, it can generally be considered discrimination.

I can kind kind of see both sides on this one. At least from a moral and ethical viewpoint.

[YALE]

Not really bro. They arent saying you as an employee cant have these types of birth control, they are saying that they wont pay for it.

How is this different than companies charging employees more for health coverage for being a smoker, or not employing them altogether? Nobody has a problem with that.

Easy. There's a linked cost increase to smoking, and secondhand smoking, and other things like physical fitness and obesity. They can't make you refrain from those, but they can let you foot the bill for them. Before you go jumping ahead, and saying paying for birth control is a corollary cost, it's actually a savings, as deferring the cost of funding an employee's birth is worth paying for birth control as long as possible. Again, I don't have a problem with them challenging the law. I have a problem with the way they're doing it.

contraception isnt a choice?

Health Insurance provides cigarettes?

[Baron Von Crowder]

Smoking is a choice. Being female isn't.

contraception isnt a choice?

Smoking is a choice. Being female isn't.

[Baron Von Crowder]

If they cite religious reasons for declining to pay for specific medical care, that would be forcing that employee to adhere to their religious beliefs.

Not really bro. They arent saying you as an employee cant have these types of birth control, they are saying that they wont pay for it.

How is this different than companies charging employees more for health coverage for being a smoker, or not employing them altogether? Nobody has a problem with that.

[71chevellejohn]

Is Hobby Lobby actually writing the individual checks for their employees healthcare or do they have an insurance company that provides their health benefits?

[YALE]

Neither is hobby lobby?

If they cite religious reasons for declining to pay for specific medical care, that would be forcing that employee to adhere to their religious beliefs.

[Baron Von Crowder]

They aren't making anyone go to church, or profess specific beliefs to work there.

Neither is hobby lobby?

For fucks sake, Frost. You act like a fucking 5 year old sometimes.

[YALE]

That's just it, they're not forcing anything on anyone. They aren't preventing employees from buying those forms of birth control, merely saying THEY aren't paying for them.

Under what authority does the federal government demand a company provide a service to anyone? Article and Section please.

So if it's not in the Constitution, it's not law? Try again.

EDIT: Title VII of the 1964 Equal Rights Act, so it actually is in the motherfucking Constitution. Have a nice day.

Further: Looks like they're a declared Equal Opportunity Employer, so they've got to comply with Title VII.

Hobby Lobby is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

[YALE]

yes, you can.

Chick-fil-a aint open on sundays for the same reason.

They aren't making anyone go to church, or profess specific beliefs to work there.

[Forever_frost]

That's just it, they're not forcing anything on anyone. They aren't preventing employees from buying those forms of birth control, merely saying THEY aren't paying for them.

Under what authority does the federal government demand a company provide a service to anyone? Article and Section please.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Who cares what the family's religious beliefs are? You can't force your employees to abide by the tenets of your religion.

yes, you can.

Chick-fil-a aint open on sundays for the same reason.

[fordracing19]

They can choose what they support. They dont have to be in business and can shut the doors at any time. I run my business on my beliefs.

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