Obama on TV right now assuring the USA is safe this weekend

[helosailor]

Agreed on all points.

It's a shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

[helosailor]

They definitely wouldn't lead or even organize it, but I think enough of them would support it one way or another to make a difference and to dissuade the rest to form any kind of resistance.

But we should go ahead and send the 'Murica Police Derpartment to throw them treasonous military peoples all in the jails because they aren't following the constitution and storming the palaces and locking the bourgeoisie up before we behead them...ya know, like Benjamin Franklin did.

[helosailor]

Not too far fetched, from what I hear anymore. I think there is a very large military population that would get behind some kind of well organized, meaningful revolt. Then there are even more who wouldn't do a thing to try and stop it.

I dunno. The enlisted folks that I knew wouldn't shed American blood on American soil. And most of the officers, well, weren't the kind of leadership material to organize something so grand. Sure, a lot of the military would get behind something to give the power back to the people, but I seriously doubt that they would lead and/or organize it.

[helosailor]

I wasn't singling out any "side". But yes, the Occupy movement, whether you agree with them or not, were generally exercising their constitutional rights. We, the people, do have the power to effect change. The vast majority would just rather sit on the couch and yell at the tv than do something about it...like vote.

[Tremor14]

^^^ but as soon as any civilians start trying to do something they get labeled.. i think it goes something like, "limp dicked liberal hipsterqueer bangin obammie lovers" or something to that effect.

regardless of what you all say, the Occupy movement was a fucking gloriously beautiful thing. If you sat on your couch and didnt go and engage with any of the people participating then you really missed out.

[helosailor]

So, like when the founding fathers did it? What exactly was the outcome of their court martial? Can't seem to remember what went on with that, for some reason. I mean they formed a military and all, so you have that part. Shit I just can't remember the outcome of that court martial!

Plus they've got the means to make it completely nonviolent. I mean, just sayin'. They could do it without spilling a drop of blood.

"You're all under arrest for treason, and failure to uphold your oath to the constitution of the U.S". And yes, I do consider wiping your ass with the constitution to be treason.

I'm sure you're all more than capable of imagining what I'm referring to here. If they did that, and put people in the offices who fully supported the constitution, they'd only up upholding their oath.

I don't even know where to start with this. Like when the founding fathers did it? Have you ever even actually read an American history book? That's not even a little close to how any of it happened.

And any overthrow is going to be violent. Horribly violent. More violent than you could imagine. It's not like those in power will be like, "Oh, y'all don't like me? Okay, I'll go.".

Who's going to arrest the military for treason? You? Me? The police department of 'merica? Who are they going to arrest?

What you're suggesting is so far beyond ridiculous, that it's actually kind of impressive that someone could be delusional enough to come up with it.

Your utter lack of real world experiences is showing here. the VAST majority of personnel in the U.S. military, from top to bottom, absolutely detest the D.C. machine, and the whole way it works. BUT, they have enough integrity and common sense not to shed American blood on American soil. Civil disobedience might work, but the level of coordination required would be all but impossible to formulate. If there's even a hint that the brass isn't going to toe the line for the bureaucrats, they get shit-canned with a quickness.
If we want change, it's up to the citizens, just as the...wait for it...constitution intended.

[Jimbo]

The power of the states alone? Was it now?

No, and that wasn't my assertion.

I was thinking more of the ninth and tenth amendments.

[YALE]

That killed me. I would like to know what he was thinking of. Certainly not the United STATES of America.
This republic was founded with the power of the States in mind.

The power of the states alone? Was it now?

[Gasser64]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

So, like when the founding fathers did it? What exactly was the outcome of their court martial? Can't seem to remember what went on with that, for some reason. I mean they formed a military and all, so you have that part. Shit I just can't remember the outcome of that court martial!

Plus they've got the means to make it completely nonviolent. I mean, just sayin'. They could do it without spilling a drop of blood.

"You're all under arrest for treason, and failure to uphold your oath to the constitution of the U.S". And yes, I do consider wiping your ass with the constitution to be treason.

I'm sure you're all more than capable of imagining what I'm referring to here. If they did that, and put people in the offices who fully supported the constitution, they'd only up upholding their oath.

[Mike]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

Solid meme

[Jimbo]

... and saying no state has the legal right to refuse refugees...

That killed me. I would like to know what he was thinking of. Certainly not the United STATES of America.
This republic was founded with the power of the States in mind.

[helosailor]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

[Gasser64]

Right, so those who took the oath, and have the perfect means, are cleared. Makes total sense. Hey lets all just pass it around like a hot potato!

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for holding politicians to their oath as well. The way they handled the higher ups in the french revolution sounds like an excellent idea to me.

[LANTIRN]

Speaking of the military, when do we hold them in violation of their oath for not "upholding the constitution of the U.S"? Seems like they should be able to use that to take some kind of action on the behalf of the constitution. What with it being shredded, and all. After all it says "uphold the constitution" not "stand by idle while it gets burned, then take your orders from the scumbags who did it". In this country at least, I'd call it dereliction of duty.

Or you can stop talking and take action you deem necessary. Or just post about it on the internet.

[Gasser64]

JV team, no worries. That's why General Milley made an unscheduled stop at Fort Hood to go over PERSEC.

Speaking of the military, when do we hold them in violation of their oath for not "upholding the constitution of the U.S"? Seems like they should be able to use that to take some kind of action on the behalf of the constitution. What with it being shredded, and all. After all it says "uphold the constitution" not "stand by idle while it gets burned, then take your orders from the scumbags who did it". In this country at least, I'd call it dereliction of duty.