President-Elect Joe Biden declared today

[Trip McNeely]

I hope they really push this defund the police and they all quit in droves. Let the big Democrat cities go to shit. Let the natives take over. I could give a fuck now being as I moved the hell away from a blue state and city. Give them what they want. I’ll watch the fireworks from afar.

[talisman]

Anything that reduces police budgets is an absolute win.

[JC316]

Anything that reduces police budgets is an absolute win.

No, it's really not, because they will step up civil asset forfeiture to compensate. Now, if the dems could get rid of that, I would be 100% behind it.

[Broncojohnny]

Based on a legal analysis I read on Friday there is a good chance that every ballot in PA received after 8pm on the night of the election will not be counted. It is a long story but essentially that "win" for the Dems before the PA state SC that you saw in the news just before the election is going to be overturned. We will see though.

Biden is for sale so you are going to see a very schizophrenic type of government doing whatever the highest bidder, in dollar and political terms, wants.

[Gasser64]

It ain't over til they swear the motherfucker in.

This. They've been declaring, and declaring, and declaring. I imagine they'll keep doing that up until the day we actually know who it is. If trump gets them on all the fraud and cheating, they'll keep declaring it's biden for at least 2 years into Trump's presidency.

Anything that reduces police budgets is an absolute win.

Defund the police, eh?

[black2002ls]

Anything that reduces police budgets is an absolute win.

Genuinely interested in the logic here.

Many departments are understaffed. Cutting funding will lead to an exacerbation of this issue. In turn, more oportunity for poor judgement to be made by overwhelemed and over worked police force. As well as more officers with less training being put on the job.

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[Craizie]

Genuinely interested in the logic here.

Many departments are understaffed. Cutting funding will lead to an exacerbation of this issue. In turn, more oportunity for poor judgement to be made by overwhelemed and over worked police force. As well as more officers with less training being put on the job.

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I am of the opinion the police should not have any gear / weapons that are not readily available to the public. They don’t need MRAPs or any other stupid shit, either.

[black2002ls]

I am of the opinion the police should not have any gear / weapons that are not readily available to the public. They don’t need MRAPs or any other stupid shit, either.

So does reducing their funding resolve that? Or should it be reappropriated to proper training and more focus on having enough officers to handle the load in more populated areas?

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[Trip McNeely]

The police should deputize the citizens then and just let the Wild West return.

[32vfromhell]

So does reducing their funding resolve that? Or should it be reappropriated to proper training and more focus on having enough officers to handle the load in more populated areas?

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I think his point is that you cant truely be a small-government, low tax republican without having a reduction in all kinds of spending, including the tax enforcers/law enforcement that is a significant part of government spending.

Plus, we all know there is countless amounts of wasteful spending in law enforcement just like all over goverment entity, especially when you consider both use-it-or-lose-it budgeting and all the tricks police unions do to get 2x and even 3x overtime for normal duty cops gaming the system.

[svauto-erotic855]

Anything that reduces police budgets is an absolute win.

Eliminating them entirely would be my preference.

No, it's really not, because they will step up civil asset forfeiture to compensate. Now, if the dems could get rid of that, I would be 100% behind it.

Many states already have laws on the books limiting what the police can do in regards to civil forfeiture. The kick back on that has already begun.

Genuinely interested in the logic here.

Many departments are understaffed. Cutting funding will lead to an exacerbation of this issue. In turn, more oportunity for poor judgement to be made by overwhelemed and over worked police force. As well as more officers with less training being put on the job.

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Police departments are not understaffed or underfunded; they are massively overstaffed and overfunded for the job that they should be doing.

[Gasser64]

Genuinely interested in the logic here.

There's none to be had, other than the standard political views we've seen lately from people who want the police defunded. They're mad at the police! They heard they shot some black guy in the back as he was running away having just committed a felony! Rabble rabble rabble!

[svauto-erotic855]

There's none to be had, other than the standard political views we've seen lately from people who want the police defunded. They're mad at the police! They heard they shot some black guy in the back as he was running away having just committed a felony! Rabble rabble rabble!

I'm quite happy that the police shoot black guys and I still want to eliminate the police. They don't really serve a purpose in our society that could not be met elsewhere.

Do you understand where Modern police departments originated from or their purpose? Why do we have multiple agencies for law enforcement in each County across the entire country? Do we really need four or five law enforcement agencies in a county or would one suffice?

[black2002ls]

I'm quite happy that the police shoot black guys and I still want to eliminate the police. They don't really serve a purpose in our society that could not be met elsewhere.



Do you understand where Modern police departments originated from or their purpose? Why do we have multiple agencies for law enforcement in each County across the entire country? Do we really need four or five law enforcement agencies in a county or would one suffice?

How would a single police force, in say a county, require less funding than multiple? I get that you would reduce costs through elimination of fewer layers of supervision and command, however the number of officers is still necessary. I'm not referencing a largely populated county, more so rural counties. Counties with multiple small towns where the county sherriff often provides support for cities that can only afford to staff one or two officers.

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[black2002ls]

I think his point is that you cant truely be a small-government, low tax republican without having a reduction in all kinds of spending, including the tax enforcers/law enforcement that is a significant part of government spending.



Plus, we all know there is countless amounts of wasteful spending in law enforcement just like all over goverment entity, especially when you consider both use-it-or-lose-it budgeting and all the tricks police unions do to get 2x and even 3x overtime for normal duty cops gaming the system.

I can pretty much agree with all of that. I wasn't trying to be condescending in any of it. Just trying to spurvsome healthy debate. We have all seen the defund the police, Trump is Satan, Biden is a Pedo rhetoric and 99.9% of the time, it is accompanied by nothing, just regurgitation.

It takes honest, genuine, debate and exchange of ideas and thought processes to really garner enough support to change ANY of this!


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