Ronald Reagan: Worst president ever?

[BP]

I'd say the war on drugs has been somewhat successful. Sure it's a giant cave we throw endless cash and resources into but at least the Columbian cartels aren't working with every major organized crime operation in the world any longer. The Mexicans have only recently figured out there is a European market for their stuff, the Columbians had their own air force to deliver cocaine around the world.

[Broncojohnny]

Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?

Let's not forget the "War on Drugs".

LMAO, spacemen could have landed too. We aren't talking about alternate history or what could have happened. We are talking about actual history.

[The King]

I am more than familiar with the circumstances surrounding the 1986 FOPA. That being said, it is impossible to criticize Reagan without all of the yellow dog repubs coming out of the woodwork and drawing a line in the sand.

I think he was a good president, but I do not agree with some of the things he did, and as such am not afraid to point out his flaws and misdeeds. He is not the best president we have ever had (Andrew Jackson or Washington IMO), but he is far from the worst.

I would agree with you that Reagan was not the best president we ever had, but he was no doubt the best president in my lifetime. This opinion is not based on something I gleaned from books or from Google, rather it's from first person experience.

[Vertnut]

[QUOTE=Avery'sDad;151676]Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?



Hahahahaha(breath)hahahahaha.

Delusional, brother...

[Gargamel]

I am more than familiar with the circumstances surrounding the 1986 FOPA. That being said, it is impossible to criticize Reagan without all of the yellow dog repubs coming out of the woodwork and drawing a line in the sand.

I think he was a good president, but I do not agree with some of the things he did, and as such am not afraid to point out his flaws and misdeeds. He is not the best president we have ever had (Andrew Jackson or Washington IMO), but he is far from the worst.

Agreed.... But I'm more of a right leaning independent...

[SlowLX]

No. By beefing up our military, the Soviets then tried to match ours, but they couldn't afford it. Reagan knew we could sustain the debt incurred (at that time) by ramping up our military. He won the Cold War by forcing the other side to try to beat us on the economic front.

The soviet military went bankrupt in Afghanistan not the eastern block

[Moose242]

Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?

You could argue that they were.

I have a couple of books on my shelf dealing with that very fact, and it seems that there is no clear consensus. However, it is generally agreed upon that the Soviet economic model would have eventually collapsed on its own.

[Moose242]

1. He got caught.... He obviously believed in what he was doing. I don't support in how he went about it...

2. He gave arms to Saddam to counterbalance Iran and the Soviets

3. He was wrong...

4. Officials get indicted all the time

5. The 1986 Volkmer/McClure Firearms Owners' Protection Act was written to eliminate the worst parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, but the goddam antis tacked on the machinegun ban as a rider at the last minute. Reagan was under a lot of pressure to sign the bill and he had to accept or reject the whole thing as it was presented to him. If he had line-item veto power, he could have accepted the main bill (good) and scrapped the rider (bad).

I am more than familiar with the circumstances surrounding the 1986 FOPA. That being said, it is impossible to criticize Reagan without all of the yellow dog repubs coming out of the woodwork and drawing a line in the sand.

I think he was a good president, but I do not agree with some of the things he did, and as such am not afraid to point out his flaws and misdeeds. He is not the best president we have ever had (Andrew Jackson or Washington IMO), but he is far from the worst.

[GhostTX]

Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?

Let's not forget the "War on Drugs".

No. By beefing up our military, the Soviets then tried to match ours, but they couldn't afford it. Reagan knew we could sustain the debt incurred (at that time) by ramping up our military. He won the Cold War by forcing the other side to try to beat us on the economic front.

[Gargamel]

Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?

Let's not forget the "War on Drugs".

1. No
2. The War on Drugs failed....

[Sean88gt]

Dead Reagan is better than the turd we have now.

Between economists and historians you will always have disagreements on supply side economics. It works amazingly well in the immediate but hard to say in the long run. With the abundance of economic growth people become more charitable. Generally speaking, with their own money. In this country, our congress gets exceedingly generous with OPM.

Reagan also didn't sit back and look like a bitch. Obama just looks lost.

[Avery'sDad]

He figured out a way to end the cold war without the deaths of millions of people.

/end of thread

Weren't the Soviets already on a decline and it would have happened anyway?

Let's not forget the "War on Drugs".

[Gargamel]

I dont know if everything that man said is true, but here are some things that I DO know to be true-

Reagan traded arms, money, drugs and hostages between Iran and the Nicaraguan rebels.

Reagan gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein.

Reagan claimed “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do”.

More appointed officials were indicted and convicted of crimes under Reagan than than any other president.

Reagan banned the production of new machine guns for civilians.

1. He got caught.... He obviously believed in what he was doing. I don't support in how he went about it...

2. He gave arms to Saddam to counterbalance Iran and the Soviets

3. He was wrong...

4. Officials get indicted all the time

5. The 1986 Volkmer/McClure Firearms Owners' Protection Act was written to eliminate the worst parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, but the goddam antis tacked on the machinegun ban as a rider at the last minute. Reagan was under a lot of pressure to sign the bill and he had to accept or reject the whole thing as it was presented to him. If he had line-item veto power, he could have accepted the main bill (good) and scrapped the rider (bad).

[Moose242]

I dont know if everything that man said is true, but here are some things that I DO know to be true-

Reagan traded arms, money, drugs and hostages between Iran and the Nicaraguan rebels.

Reagan gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein.

Reagan claimed “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do”.

More appointed officials were indicted and convicted of crimes under Reagan than than any other president.

Reagan banned the production of new machine guns for civilians.

[Gargamel]

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