Union Myths

[Lason]

I can be tried for war crimes and locked up without trial while they figure things out. Not evil, but your union is

well I appreciate you differentiating me from my union, something most are not able to do.

[Forever_frost]

I can be tried for war crimes and locked up without trial while they figure things out. Not evil, but your union is

[Lason]

My entire family is covered under my insurance for 20 bucks a quarter. And I don't pay union dues. Come on man, tell me, do you think the military should unionize and strike for better pay?

Oh, and my son being born ran me 25 bucks total for a C section.

You pay less than I do for insurance and Im union, am I still evil?

[ELVIS]

Alot of little dick jealousy going on here. So lets add some fuel to the fire. My union dues cost me 90 bucks a month. For that $90 I get a job with a 6 figure income that takes an act of congress to fire me. I might as well be a supreme court judge. On top of that my healthcare package is valued at 24k a year. It only cost me $20 to have a baby. We pay that at the first Dr. visit and dont pay another penny till the baby is 6 months old. On top of that my prescription plan pays for baby formula. How kickass is that.

Come on fellow union brothers post up how good you got it and lets hear some more crying. To all the cry babies. If you cant beat em join em why dont you apply for a union job.

dude, get a fucking grip. you work for the railroad. you cant be this large of a pompous ass in person can you?

god bless.

[Lason]

That is exactly what I'd say, I'm afraid. Just like the gold standard should dictate what money is worth, the job "standard" should be dictated by what the job is worth. I'm sorry (wait no I'm not) that all those union blue collar joes did not go to school and get a degree that commands higher pay. But thats nobody's fault but theirs. I don't care what your situation is, anyone with a mind to can force their way through it. So yeah, I don't have much of an opinion of whiny, overpaid, blue collar joes. And the store across town wouldn't have to be raising their pay in order to compete if the unnecessary, outdated union wasn't around. But even after all this, I still wouldn't mind unions one bit if it weren't for all the corruption and greed that most of them stand for. I got no problem with someone standing up for workers. Just like I got no problem with theoretical socialism. Its applied socialism that I can't stand.

Being union means your uneducated? There are ALOT of jobs here that are union that require degree's and pay accordingly.

And of course you completely lost the point of what I was saying. Your absolutley right, the store across town would not have to raise their pay if there wasnt a union store across town. Now imagine what would happen if all unions suddenly disappeared and pay across the board went down dictated only by the employer and the federal minimum wage standard. Do you think you would pay less for those cars and other goods that made by unions? LMAO, yeah I dont think so either. So now you have people across the board making less money and prices of goods are staying rock solid. Can you imagine what would happen to the economy? Its a downward sprial and anyone who says otherwise is living a fairy tale.

As far as corrupt, you hit on one of many gripes I have with unions. They have become corrupt and they do protect the lazy.

[Forever_frost]

Alot of little dick jealousy going on here. So lets add some fuel to the fire. My union dues cost me 90 bucks a month. For that $90 I get a job with a 6 figure income that takes an act of congress to fire me. I might as well be a supreme court judge. On top of that my healthcare package is valued at 24k a year. It only cost me $20 to have a baby. We pay that at the first Dr. visit and dont pay another penny till the baby is 6 months old. On top of that my prescription plan pays for baby formula. How kickass is that.

Come on fellow union brothers post up how good you got it and lets hear some more crying. To all the cry babies. If you cant beat em join em why dont you apply for a union job.

My entire family is covered under my insurance for 20 bucks a quarter. And I don't pay union dues. Come on man, tell me, do you think the military should unionize and strike for better pay?

Oh, and my son being born ran me 25 bucks total for a C section.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

That is exactly what I'd say, I'm afraid. Just like the gold standard should dictate what money is worth, the job "standard" should be dictated by what the job is worth. I'm sorry (wait no I'm not) that all those union blue collar joes did not go to school and get a degree that commands higher pay. But thats nobody's fault but theirs. I don't care what your situation is, anyone with a mind to can force their way through it. So yeah, I don't have much of an opinion of whiny, overpaid, blue collar joes. And the store across town wouldn't have to be raising their pay in order to compete if the unnecessary, outdated union wasn't around. But even after all this, I still wouldn't mind unions one bit if it weren't for all the corruption and greed that most of them stand for. I got no problem with someone standing up for workers. Just like I got no problem with theoretical socialism. Its applied socialism that I can't stand.

Theory and application are often a night and day difference. What is your opinion of unions when they get too big for their britches and end up making a company close down? Now instead of making some pay, everyone that worked there makes no pay. And now instead of 1 person getting fired for something, everyone just lost their job. Unions may do some good, but in the end their bad for the company, and bad for society. They remind me of smoking. Momentarily gratifying, but its going to catch up with you.

[Lason]

But drastically overpaying their employees?

This is the problem I have with the anti union side of the argument. Who dictates what the "right pay" is and what to consider "over paid"? Before you say "the job market" consider what I say. I have alot of issues with unions but one thing that I still see them doing as positive is keeping pay up across the board. I posted on the other board a while back and Al and myself went back and forth on it but my point was, love them or hate them, unions in some way dictate your starting pay.

If you have two buisness's across town doing the same thing and one is union and "over paying" their employees to keep the union happy then guess what the other buisness has to do to keep employee's? Keep their pay competative or risk loosing their employees.

[FreightTrain]

You don't see an issue with that, at all?

Lol thats nothing. On the railroad we have job insurance. It pays us if we screw up and get suspended. I make $360 a day everyday Im suspended up to 6 months. Talk about a paid fucking vacation. How do you like them apples.

[Slowhand]

that takes an act of congress to fire me.

You don't see an issue with that, at all?

[FreightTrain]

Alot of little dick jealousy going on here. So lets add some fuel to the fire. My union dues cost me 90 bucks a month. For that $90 I get a job with a 6 figure income that takes an act of congress to fire me. I might as well be a supreme court judge. On top of that my healthcare package is valued at 24k a year. It only cost me $20 to have a baby. We pay that at the first Dr. visit and dont pay another penny till the baby is 6 months old. On top of that my prescription plan pays for baby formula. How kickass is that.

Come on fellow union brothers post up how good you got it and lets hear some more crying. To all the cry babies. If you cant beat em join em why dont you apply for a union job.

[Denny]

The Trash Pickup Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

The Grocery Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

The Toll Booth Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

The Baptist Preacher's Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

The Walmart Greeter's Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

[Forever_frost]

The Elevator Union is the same way... and we deserve every penny we make. If anybody else was on the other side of the fence making what we make and have all the health benefits, nobody else would be griping either. To each his own.

And if you were on this side paying for all those benefits, you'd be griping.

[Forever_frost]

Stanley


To answer your question the only other job like mine is an airline pilot. Im on call 24/7 and I never know when Im going to work. When the phone rings I have 2 hrs to show up to work. I have no set days off. Last year I spent 145 days in a hotel away from my family. On average I see my family about 15 waking hrs a week. On top of that Im licensed by the federal government and Im required to know thousands of rules and regulations that Im tested on all the time and if I dont pass I dont have a job. Lets not forget Im responsible for a train that can be over a mile and a half long and can weigh up to 20000 tons that travels at 70 mph. It aint easy starting and stopping that bitch. Im responsible for over 100 million dollars worth of equipment and cargo everytime I get on a train not to mention the liability to the railroad if I screw up. Plus we are forced to ship the nastiest chemicals on earth because they are banded on highways. So yes Im worth every penny I get paid and I wouldnt do this job for one dollar less.

I'm not a uaw member that tightens nuts all day nor am I a garbage man that works for the city.

Really? Because as part of the military, I'm on call 24/7 and am often required to spend 12-18 months from my family. I've seen months where I saw my family a total of 10 hours in a month and that was to come in and get new supplies for a field exercise. On top of that, I'm required to know and understand the Geneva 3, understand what IS a lawful order and who can give one and if I don't pass, I get charged with a war crime. I'm also in charge of guarding multi-million dollar structures and discerning between civilian and insurgent DURING a firefight.

Cry me a river. Should the military be unionized?

[SMEGMA STENCH]

We have to compete with a million trucking companies that are willing to haul freight for pennies on the dollar and pay slave wages to their drivers. So no its not a walk in the park. Also railroads have to pay for their own infrastructure and not ride the coat tails of the general public like truckers do. This year my company is spending 3 billion on infrastructure.

Ok but have you looked at what your exact counterparts make in other countries that work for other companies? I don't doubt that your job is worth a pretty penny, I'm just not sure its worth quite what the union charges for you. If the job itself is actually worth the money that you make, then the absence of a union wouldn't make any difference. Cause as you probably know, the job would level off at the pay that people would accept for it. Ain't no illegal wetback ever going to get that job.

As for the truck drivers, I got a buddy that is one. Now he doesn't make near as much as you I'm sure, but he told me he brings home about 64K a year. Judging by the type of house he lives in, the cars he drives, and the kind of toys he buys, I'd say that he was probly telling the truth. Not great, but not freaking awful either. He hasn't been doing it long, just around 4 years. Long haul half the time, short haul the other half. But I can't claim to know all that much about unions. If there is a union somewhere that doesn't have corruption, I'd say its probably an ok deal. But I have never heard of one.