Union Myths

[Lason]

As for companies charging what they can get... welcome to business. If they can get $25k for that car that a $15/hour worker made, then good for them. That is what makes our world go round. What do you have against businesses making a nice profit? Why do you think they even exist? To provide people with good paying jobs? Haha yeah right. You're on your own in this life, there is nobody that owes you a fucking thing. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

You consistantly miss the point. My point was not that cars are expensive, it wasnt that buisness's should not make money, it wasnt that anyone is OWED anything.

My point was, why do YOU care how much someone in a union makes? If that car's price wont go down if they take away the union and lower pay scales then what difference does it make to you?

[Lason]

Wow...no wonder people would rather ship by truck. Every "extra" you earn adds to the operating costs of the business.

Yeah I agree, that attitude, worded like that, isnt going to sway any opinions lol.

[Forever_frost]

Originally Posted by FreightTrain View Post
Lol thats nothing. On the railroad we have job insurance. It pays us if we screw up and get suspended. I make $360 a day everyday Im suspended up to 6 months. Talk about a paid fucking vacation. How do you like them apples.

How does it make sense for a company to provide you a paycheck if you screw up? That right there is why unions need to go. They provide a mandatory safety net for fuckups

[FreightTrain]

Originally Posted by FreightTrain View Post
Lol thats nothing. On the railroad we have job insurance. It pays us if we screw up and get suspended. I make $360 a day everyday Im suspended up to 6 months. Talk about a paid fucking vacation. How do you like them apples.

How does it make sense for a company to provide you a paycheck if you screw up? That right there is why unions need to go. They provide a mandatory safety net for fuckups

Its not the company its the union. We pay for it just like you do car insurance.

[FreightTrain]

Wow...no wonder people would rather ship by truck. Every "extra" you earn adds to the operating costs of the business.

The railroad charges up to 300k for one train. I think they can afford to pay me my daily rate and still keep the lights on.

[Denny]

I sent this to my father, a retired RR electrician from Santa Fe before the merger with BN. He said that is how the majority of the people the real workers had to carry acted.

[FreightTrain]

I sent this to my father, a retired RR electrician from Santa Fe before the merger with BN. He said that is how the majority of the people the real workers had to carry acted.

Then you know first hand how good railroad retirement is.
Your pops is just bitter he wasnt te&y. We get all the glory and make all the money.

[46Tbird]

Sounds like you guys have some pretty sweet scams going. Read your gloating posts, you revel in being overpaid for your skillset. Just be aware that when cuts HAVE to be made (and they will, in order for your host to survive the bloodsucking) that they will be painful.

I don't think there have been many union concessions to slowly decrease pay and benefits to be more inline with other industries - it has usually been "fight til the death" and a company reniges on its unfunded liabilities (GM) or it goes completely under (many examples).

I wish you union guys all the luck in the world. Hopefully your companies survive, because you will probably have a hard time making it in the real world with realistic pay for what you do.

[Denny]

Then you know first hand how good railroad retirement is.
Your pops is just bitter he wasnt te&y. We get all the glory and make all the money.

I seriously doubt he is/was bitter. He is a person that never worried how much anyone else made but himself. Anyway, what does that have to do with your piss-poor demeanor or an industry ran by free-loaders?

[Lason]

Sounds like you guys have some pretty sweet scams going. Read your gloating posts, you revel in being overpaid for your skillset. Just be aware that when cuts HAVE to be made (and they will, in order for your host to survive the bloodsucking) that they will be painful.

I don't think there have been many union concessions to slowly decrease pay and benefits to be more inline with other industries - it has usually been "fight til the death" and a company reniges on its unfunded liabilities (GM) or it goes completely under (many examples).

I wish you union guys all the luck in the world. Hopefully your companies survive, because you will probably have a hard time making it in the real world with realistic pay for what you do.

Who is this directed at?

I never gloated anywhere, I realize Im paid well and am gratefull for it. I have absolutley no fear of my employer shutting its doors though.

[FreightTrain]

I seriously doubt he is/was bitter. He is a person that never worried how much anyone else made but himself. Anyway, what does that have to do with your piss-poor demeanor or an industry ran by free-loaders?

Jealousy isnt your color. You love to bash unions and claim you got yours. Well guess what I didnt have to go to a war zone to get mine. So dont be bitter at me. Yall want to talk shit fine Im tired of being pc. Man denny as a son of a railroader why didnt you hire out they had a spot waiting on you. Or does your hated of unions run that deep.

[Denny]

Jealousy isnt your color. You love to bash unions and claim you got yours. Well guess what I didnt have to go to a war zone to get mine. So dont be bitter at me. Yall want to talk shit fine Im tired of being pc. Man denny as a son of a railroader why didnt you hire out they had a spot waiting on you. Or does your hated of unions run that deep.

I never had a desire to work in the RR industry. I found a way to work for mine on my own and taking risks that others wouldn't. Why wouldn't I be proud of that?

[GhostTX]

The railroad charges up to 300k for one train. I think they can afford to pay me my daily rate and still keep the lights on.

Obviously a "big picture" kind of guy. So, do tell, how much does it cost to maintain and fuel that train, and maintenance of the track and all the salaries that touch that one train? You make 6 figures, so that's 1/3 the cost right there.

How does this attitude work that the company "owes" you? You work for the company and as a compensation, they pay you. Everything else is just bonus to entice your talents to work for them (because they want talented people that won't cost them money and/or increase their profits). They're not obligated to give you jack other than the agreed upon salary.

[Forever_frost]

Jealousy isnt your color. You love to bash unions and claim you got yours. Well guess what I didnt have to go to a war zone to get mine. So dont be bitter at me. Yall want to talk shit fine Im tired of being pc. Man denny as a son of a railroader why didnt you hire out they had a spot waiting on you. Or does your hated of unions run that deep.

And yet another problem with unions. They hire based on who has been working there before instead of the best possible candidate

So FT, answer me. Should the military be able to unionize and strike? Hell, I'll make it easier. Those who love the unions, should we be able to unionize and strike?

[FreightTrain]

And yet another problem with unions. They hire based on who has been working there before instead of the best possible candidate

So FT, answer me. Should the military be able to unionize and strike? Hell, I'll make it easier. Those who love the unions, should we be able to unionize and strike?

You know what you were signing up for when u joined the military just like I knew what I was signing up for on the railroad. Your starting to sound like a teacher that complains about their pay.