Cops in here - video of kid getting pulled over

[LANTIRN]

There are states with laws on the books requiring to show ID, and it could be argued that simply showing ID is not considered unreasonable. The supreme court tends to agree.

Within reason I also see no problem with checkpoints or at least the intent of the TSA. Criminals and terrorists shouldn't be able to hide behind the 4th ammendment, an amendment that was written for a much simpler society over 200 years ago.

I don't care the reason they ask; fuck the TSA. They have been the worst violators of the 4th amendment in our history except MAYBE McCarthy and his band of idiots. There are a few cops / police departments that try to abuse it, but most of them want to let you know what you did wrong, ticket you if needed, and let you go. They don't want to be held up any more than you do. With all the media and youtube vids popping up sometimes I REALLY have to make myself realize that most cops are decent people doing their job, but it really is true. I have only ever had one bad encounter with law enforcement; the reset have been totally respectful of me and the law so long as I showed the same respect. But fuck the TSA; that agency could not be shut down fast enough.

[stevo]

Yeah, I was just doing some digging, and it isn't against the law to refuse ID in Texas, unless you are under arrest. Though giving false ID is a punishable offense.

I was 'detained' when I was a 15, and actually was what I would consider a victim of police brutality in the process (forced face down handcuffed on the hood of a very hot highway patrol Chevy Impala mid-day in mid-summer heat, I suffered burns, water blisters and still have scars from it) and was held there until my brother found out and came to the jail and ID'd me. The asshats wouldn't let me call someone to come ID me, a person in the truck I was riding in walked to my brother's house and told him.

Stevo

[Big A]

Welcome to the Police State of America.
He had every right to question the cop, he did nothing wrong and the cop admitted he (cop) made a mistake.
I applaud the kid for standing up for his rights, more people need to do the same.

Saw a video of 2 guys who walked acrossed America with a couple of signs. They were stopped over and over in every state and were asked to show id. They refused and had every right to, every cop except one pulled the same crap as this cop. Never did they get arrested or had to show id.


Heck my blood started pumping too, people get nervous, it's part of being human.

Last statement by the cop was, "Remain in your vehicle".


The whole search your vehicle, unconstitutional.
Same as check points on our roadways, unconstitutional.
Same as TSA feeling you up at the airport and football games, unconstitutional.

4th Ammendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

There are states with laws on the books requiring to show ID, and it could be argued that simply showing ID is not considered unreasonable. The supreme court tends to agree.

Within reason I also see no problem with checkpoints or at least the intent of the TSA. Criminals and terrorists shouldn't be able to hide behind the 4th ammendment, an amendment that was written for a much simpler society over 200 years ago.

[LANTIRN]

Welcome to the Police State of America.
He had every right to question the cop, he did nothing wrong and the cop admitted he (cop) made a mistake.
I applaud the kid for standing up for his rights, more people need to do the same.

Saw a video of 2 guys who walked acrossed America with a couple of signs. They were stopped over and over in every state and were asked to show id. They refused and had every right to, every cop except one pulled the same crap as this cop. Never did they get arrested or had to show id.


Heck my blood started pumping too, people get nervous, it's part of being human.

Last statement by the cop was, "Remain in your vehicle".


The whole search your vehicle, unconstitutional.
Same as check points on our roadways, unconstitutional.
Same as TSA feeling you up at the airport and football games, unconstitutional.

4th Ammendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I agree completely, though I honestly cannot remember ever having an officer ask to search my vehicle. They either give me a ticket or warning and let me go; guess I am just lucky I have only dealt with reasonable officers. And I have always had them give me a reason for being stopped, I gave ID, they ran it in the computer, and 90% of the time that was it. Even at one of the I10 checkpoints they never asked to see inside my car; they pulled me over, walked a dog around, and then waved me through.

Airports are an entirely different issue and there is a reason why I refuse to fly now unless my job or family depends on it.

[LANTIRN]

Yeah, I was just doing some digging, and it isn't against the law to refuse ID in Texas, unless you are under arrest. Though giving false ID is a punishable offense.

I could be wrong, but I do believe it is law to have ID on you at all times in Texas, but they must have a valid reason to ask you for it; ie just walking into a coffee shop is not reason to be asked for ID and detained. Of course I have never had this happen so I don't know that actual outcome would be if you refused in that situation.

[Blakeski]

I know both of these guys, at one point both of them worked for me, both smartass kids, but they always listened.

[LANTIRN]

Personally, I can kind of see the kid's point. Every time I have been pulled over the officer has immediately told me why he pulled me over, then asked for ID, insurance, etc. He was polite, I was polite, and most of the time it was for minor speeding and I got a warning. I guess I am lucky that I live in an area where officers know how to do their job while respecting rights so I have never had a problem; hell I can't recall any friends or family running into a "rights abusing" police officer. Maybe we are lucky where I live, but I know it does happen. I think I would probably have the same reaction as the kid in similar circumstances; if you refuse to tell me why you pulled me over then we can do this in court. The issue of respect goes both ways; I realize officers have to naturally be on the defensive due to their job, but there is absolutely no reason they can't tell you why you were pulled over.

[Big A]

I believe it isn't an arrestable offense, but they can detain you until positive identification is achieved. And by detain, I mean that they can take you to the jail, meaning your car gets impounded, and that means it gets searched, etc.

Stevo

Yeah, I was just doing some digging, and it isn't against the law to refuse ID in Texas, unless you are under arrest. Though giving false ID is a punishable offense.

[Blackpony]

Welcome to the Police State of America.
He had every right to question the cop, he did nothing wrong and the cop admitted he (cop) made a mistake.
I applaud the kid for standing up for his rights, more people need to do the same.

Saw a video of 2 guys who walked acrossed America with a couple of signs. They were stopped over and over in every state and were asked to show id. They refused and had every right to, every cop except one pulled the same crap as this cop. Never did they get arrested or had to show id.


Heck my blood started pumping too, people get nervous, it's part of being human.

Last statement by the cop was, "Remain in your vehicle".


The whole search your vehicle, unconstitutional.
Same as check points on our roadways, unconstitutional.
Same as TSA feeling you up at the airport and football games, unconstitutional.

4th Ammendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

^^^ This...

[Blackpony]

that was fucking epic!!!

[Up0n0ne]

Welcome to the Police State of America.
He had every right to question the cop, he did nothing wrong and the cop admitted he (cop) made a mistake.
I applaud the kid for standing up for his rights, more people need to do the same.

Saw a video of 2 guys who walked acrossed America with a couple of signs. They were stopped over and over in every state and were asked to show id. They refused and had every right to, every cop except one pulled the same crap as this cop. Never did they get arrested or had to show id.

"Why are you nervous"

Heck my blood started pumping too, people get nervous, it's part of being human.

Last statement by the cop was, "Remain in your vehicle".


The whole search your vehicle, unconstitutional.
Same as check points on our roadways, unconstitutional.
Same as TSA feeling you up at the airport and football games, unconstitutional.

4th Ammendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[roliath]

i'd give him my id

[TENGRAM]

If I get pulled over I always have insurance and license waiting for him/her then they get to the window. I really don't understand why people have to test the waters and see what happens. 8/10 times if you get pulled over it's because you did something wrong.

I hardly even move when I get pulled over until they get to the window. Wouldn't want them to think I'm hiding something or reaching for a weapon. I just pull the sunglasses off and wait with my hands in plain sight... yes sir, no sir, etc etc after that. I've been pretty successful with that approach.

[stevo]

Yep, I don't recall the class of the offense, or if it's immediate jail time, but we are required by law to provide ID.

I believe it isn't an arrestable offense, but they can detain you until positive identification is achieved. And by detain, I mean that they can take you to the jail, meaning your car gets impounded, and that means it gets searched, etc.

Stevo

[Big A]

I didnt watch the video but I beleive you can go to jail anywhere anytime for failure to id

Yep, I don't recall the class of the offense, or if it's immediate jail time, but we are required by law to provide ID.