Cops in here - video of kid getting pulled over

[Big A]

Well, in a totally different direction... he cannot refuse to show proof of vehicular insurance and vehicle registration. He would be required to verify the person driving was the person insured and owned the car. That would require an ID.

I feel that any fruits of a botched/mistaken/fraudulent stop shouldn't be used at all by law enforcement. If the cop pulls someone over thinking the license plate light is out but is wrong, I feel he has no right to give a ticket for, lets say, an expired inspection.

Stevo

I have to disagree with you there, breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of how a person is caught. Don't ride dirty, and you won't get a ticket.

[Big A]

You do know the TSA is Gov't (Big Sis) right? And I don't think the private plane companies hired them.

Yes, and sadly the airlines would never put any sort of protections in place simply because it would come out of their bottom line, even though it's a necessary evil at this point. Just like screening going into sporting events, it's optional to attend, as it is to fly, if you don't want to get screened then don't go.

I don't by any means like that society has come to this, and it doesn't help that they hire fast food rejects, but TSA screening is necessary, and has most certainly saved lives and will continue to do so. Whether as a deterent, or in catching them in the act.

[stevo]

Well, in a totally different direction... he cannot refuse to show proof of vehicular insurance and vehicle registration. He would be required to verify the person driving was the person insured and owned the car. That would require an ID.

I feel that any fruits of a botched/mistaken/fraudulent stop shouldn't be used at all by law enforcement. If the cop pulls someone over thinking the license plate light is out but is wrong, I feel he has no right to give a ticket for, lets say, an expired inspection.

Stevo

[Up0n0ne]

If you are in a position to potentially harm many other people, as anyone on a plane is, they damn sure can search if given cause. Flying is not an inalienable right, it is a privelage and service that is provided by private companies. You have every right to refuse to fly, and take a train or bus. By choosing to purchase a ticket and enter the airport, you have chosen to play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, then don't fly.

You do know the TSA is Gov't (Big Sis) right? And I don't think the private plane companies hired them.

Is that why they keep the planes so damn cold, to cool us off after cooking?

Possibly! lol

[Big A]

the video stopped kind of abruptly. If anybody knows these kids or knows somebody who knows them, I think a welfare check is in order. Typical cop most likely murdered them and then planted weapons in the vechicle. Good odds are these kids are dead and buried in the middle of nowhere now.

See post #15, Blakeski's on it. lol

[Big A]

I have told the story before, but not sure if it was on this site. Incoming wall of text.

I was riding in the back of a truck with four friends coming back from a morning of swimming. I only knew the people in the cab as a friends of one of my buddy's. A highway patrol pulled us over, and wanted to search the truck. The cop found a bottle of whiskey behind the truck set, and was giving the driver hell about having an open container. Us kids in the back knew nothing about it, but the cop wanted to see at the point if us kids had been drinking. A couple more cop cars pulled up, Give us and the driver breath tests, all clean. At this point, cop A started to get pissed (I guess because he wasn't getting some kind of proof) and we were required to each to find a spot of hood or trunk and place hands down. When the officer got to me to search I mentioned the hood was burning my hands. He popped off some shit, and pushed me face and chest down on the hood, and told me if I moved I would be going to jail for resisting. He took his time searching me (I only had shorts and shoes on), then zip-corded and hands and led me to the ditch to sit along the other boys. When it came time to give ID's I didn't have one(was 15), so I got detained to the Hill County Sheriffs office to be ID. The fingerprinted and mug-shotted me to check my ID, but since I had never been in trouble, they couldn't ID me, and stuck me back in the holding tank. I was there for hours until my brother showed up, even then he had to bring stupid shit to ID me, birth certificate, SS card, etc. The next day I had giant water blisters on my face, and worse ones on my stomach and chest. I lost some skin over it. It was a giant clusterfuck, and since I wasn't formally charged or arrested I was told I couldn't do anything. I have never totally let it go, henceforth, I keep the eye out for crooked cops fucking up.

Stevo

I don't recall reading that before, shitty situation for sure. You have every right to be leary, but I still like to think that there are far more reasonable officers out there than the pricks that you dealt with.

You probably could have at the least filed a complaint, but back then it would have been more likely swept under the rug. Ironically nowadays you could call up the local tv station, and ensure disciplinary action.

[TheTRiM]

the video stopped kind of abruptly. If anybody knows these kids or knows somebody who knows them, I think a welfare check is in order. Typical cop most likely murdered them and then planted weapons in the vechicle. Good odds are these kids are dead and buried in the middle of nowhere now.

[Big A]

The TSA scanner radiation is 10x higher than expected. It's like walking though a microwave. lol

Is that why they keep the planes so damn cold, to cool us off after cooking?

[Big A]

But traveling is no reason to warrant a search of you or your possessions. Buying a plane ticket is not an arrestable offense; why should you be subject to search and seizure just because you purchased a legal service? Thus I refuse to give the airlines any more of my money; I haven't flown since '08.

If you are in a position to potentially harm many other people, as anyone on a plane is, they damn sure can search if given cause. Flying is not an inalienable right, it is a privelage and service that is provided by private companies. You have every right to refuse to fly, and take a train or bus. By choosing to purchase a ticket and enter the airport, you have chosen to play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, then don't fly.

[Up0n0ne]

I fly all the time for business, and it's not as bad as y'all are making it out to be. I always put my watch and everything in my pockets in my back pack before I get to TSA screening, with my ID and boarding pass in the front pouch. Pull my belt and shoes off when I get there, and take the laptops out as required.

I've been personally scanned once, and occassionally, but rarely, the power invertors, various data cables, and other electronics in my backpack make them want to unzip and look real quick.

Even that two minute inconvenience is worth it to me knowing that they are looking for things that could potentially jeapordize my own safety.

Ok, I understand what you're saying and not trying to argue by any means.
But just FYI and health.
The TSA scanner radiation is 10x higher than expected. It's like walking though a microwave. lol

[Big A]

Have to disagree on the check points Big A. They tell us it's all in the name of "security" but it's not, sorry.
They're not checking for criminals or terrorists at these checkpoints.
Plus there's more of a chance of getting struck by lighting than to come across a terrorist on the roadway.
Saying that an ammendment wasn't written for today's society is to give up your rights and hand over the Constitution and say well this doesn't apply for today.
It is what this nation was founded on and sorry but that thought process is the same reason these puppets in office continue to strip away our Liberties and step on this nations Constitution.
And why people just give up their right, thinking the govt. is for our best interest. You do know our nation has become a police state and socialist? Which is NOT what this nation is supposed to be, but is what happens when we allow the govt. to get too big and the people just hand over their rights.
Sorry for the rant, not all directed towards you.

The terrorist comment was in regards to TSA. I think checkpoints are fine if they are looking for drug smugglers or impaired drivers.

I'll say again, the constitution was written two centuries ago, and our forefathers had absolutely no clue how different society would be at this point. If the country was made up entirely of citizens like you and I, then sure, it's become a "police state." I see it as law and liberty enforcement having to adjust to the exponentially increasing threats that society brings upon itself.

You can even compare stories from 30 or 40 years ago to today, where Johnny and his buddies were out drinking beer and shooting shit at the tank, and on the way home Barney Fife pulls them over, asseses the situation, and tells them to bcareful and head home.

I'm exaggerating a little, but shit like that used to happen, and it simply can't today. Exceptions to the rule do still happen, but as a whole protecting society from itself is a much different environment than when the constitution was written, and I guarantee you that it's not only not what they forefathers wanted or intended from an enforcement perspective, but it's also not what they wanted in terms of the general make-up of our cultures and the evils that are present today.

[jnobles06]

I fly all the time for business, and it's not as bad as y'all are making it out to be. I always put my watch and everything in my pockets in my back pack before I get to TSA screening, with my ID and boarding pass in the front pouch. Pull my belt and shoes off when I get there, and take the laptops out as required.

I've been personally scanned once, and occassionally, but rarely, the power invertors, various data cables, and other electronics in my backpack make them want to unzip and look real quick.

Even that two minute inconvenience is worth it to me knowing that they are looking for things that could potentially jeapordize my own safety.

imagine getting pulled over in you car and getting searched by the TSA. I think that I what he was referring to.

[LANTIRN]

I fly all the time for business, and it's not as bad as y'all are making it out to be. I always put my watch and everything in my pockets in my back pack before I get to TSA screening, with my ID and boarding pass in the front pouch. Pull my belt and shoes off when I get there, and take the laptops out as required.

I've been personally scanned once, and occassionally, but rarely, the power invertors, various data cables, and other electronics in my backpack make them want to unzip and look real quick.

Even that two minute inconvenience is worth it to me knowing that they are looking for things that could potentially jeapordize my own safety.

But traveling is no reason to warrant a search of you or your possessions. Buying a plane ticket is not an arrestable offense; why should you be subject to search and seizure just because you purchased a legal service? Thus I refuse to give the airlines any more of my money; I haven't flown since '08.

[Up0n0ne]

I see this a lot with videos posted online, and that does make me extra cautious about my rights, but like I have said above even though I have this "preception" that my rights are about to be violated, with the exception of the TSA I haven't had my rights violated.

Understood and for the most part same here. I just know the more this nation continues in the same direction the more probable both of us will have are rights violated.
And from your sig. you see both sides are working for the same team.

[Big A]

Same here, but honostly nowadays it's getting out of hand.

I fly all the time for business, and it's not as bad as y'all are making it out to be. I always put my watch and everything in my pockets in my back pack before I get to TSA screening, with my ID and boarding pass in the front pouch. Pull my belt and shoes off when I get there, and take the laptops out as required.

I've been personally scanned once, and occassionally, but rarely, the power invertors, various data cables, and other electronics in my backpack make them want to unzip and look real quick.

Even that two minute inconvenience is worth it to me knowing that they are looking for things that could potentially jeapordize my own safety.