Police shooting caught on camera

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Wha????

[SS Junk]

You're a fucking moron.

Being wrong stings a little doesn't it.

There's a reason for this:

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Thirdly, you're a woman because of the above two reasons and reading what I post anyway.

[Tannerm]

Suspect swinging a deadly weapon at another person (happens to be a fellow po) and u have a choice.... Send in a dog who has reaction time and could possibly not get perp fast enough to stop him and injure himself in the process (considered a fellow officer whether u like it or not), or shoot him knowing u were FULLY justified in stopping the threat with something that is quick and effective? Him swinging that pipe turned it into a deadly force scenario and overrides the use of the dog in the use of force continuum. I know my answer.

[SS Junk]

Suspect swinging a deadly weapon at another person...

Could you point out in that video where there was an actual swing before he was shot?

[DON SVO]

Could you point out in that video where there was an actual swing before he was shot?

You're killing me here... The guy turned around and looked like he was loading up for a swing (got that momentum-building stutter step going on and Mark McGwire body turn) as the first officer wasn't paying attention (appeared to be trying to reload the taser or something) and the other officer shut him down.

I see it the same as being in a situation where you and someone you don't know draw guns on each other: are you going to wait and see if the other guy shoots first? What you're arguing is that you'd rather allow a violent perp the opportunity to injure/kill a LEO before you'd neutralize him. And before you say "LET THAT THAR PO-LEECE DAWGIE ON THAT UN THAR FELLER!'', if he fucks up that dog with the pipe wrench he's done the same as fucking up a human cop.

[SS Junk]

You're killing me here... The guy turned around and looked like he was loading up for a swing (got that momentum-building stutter step going on and Mark McGwire body turn) as the first officer wasn't paying attention (appeared to be trying to reload the taser or something) and the other officer shut him down.

Right. The same officer who was holding a dog that was on alert and ready.

I see it the same as being in a situation where you and someone you don't know draw guns on each other: are you going to wait and see if the other guy shoots first? What you're arguing is that you'd rather allow a violent perp the opportunity to injure/kill a LEO before you'd neutralize him. And before you say "LET THAT THAR PO-LEECE DAWGIE ON THAT UN THAR FELLER!'', if he fucks up that dog with the pipe wrench he's done the same as fucking up a human cop.

Double standard. As proven, dogs are used by police in time sensitive, life threatening situations. Normally I would agree with using lethal force, but in this case, since police use K9's to subdue someone before lethal force and there was a K9 just a few feet away, this killing was not justified.

[Tannerm]

Could you point out in that video where there was an actual swing before he was shot?

Lol wow u being srs or u just trolling... He rears back with the pipe (how can overlook that!) after turning toward his "target" who indeed let his guard down.

Also to person above who asked about the Ofcr shooting it gangster style. We are taught when one handed shooting, to cant the gun. It's more natural with the gun turned inward the having to bring the gun into sight with the sights straight up. Try it! It's quite useful

[SS Junk]

He rears back with the pipe (how can overlook that!) after turning toward his "target" who indeed let his guard down.

He's a dumbfuck for doing so. Obviously not taking the situation very seriously. You also stated he swung when he did not. Like I said, if there was not a K9 there, then empty all mags and throw the gun at him if necessary.

[pr1042]

Why shoot the leg when you can just shoot the pipe out of his hand?

[Tannerm]

Look I see ur point but it's not going to work. We are set to a standard of use of force. It stair steps. When the Ofcr observed the suspect taking an aggressive stance and reared back to swing at the other Ofcr, he acted appropriately. Dog doesn't travel at 900 fps:.. It was a deadly force situation which is never good. The officer acted quickly and correctly. No officer is going to release a dog with a command (taking valuable time), when someone was fixin to receive seriously bodily injury or death.

Same situation, u are the guy who has pissed off the pipe wielder. I just show up with scrappy the k9. I'm talking to the suspect who has the pipe but not swinging it and its just at his side. He then turns to u and again, attempts a swing. I would shoot too. I have to protect my citizens, my officers, and my life. Deadly force is authorized if one of those three are in danger of losing there life or receiving srs bodily injury. sorry you don't agree. Everyone has there opinion. I'm just shedding some light on the situation from a LEO standpoint and what I observed.

[SS Junk]

Look I see ur point but it's not going to work. We are set to a standard of use of force. It stair steps.

So.. during an aggressive stance, it's verbal commands, taser, guns and then K9?

[Tannerm]

Nah, dog probably comes in if taser fails. But the situation changed very quickly to the top. Which would be "guns" or Deadly force. He wasn't complying to verbal commands, still held a potential weapon, and then turns to attack. So no time for the doggy.

[Tannerm]

But I'm out. I gots me some exciting child abuse training today... Not recommended when u have a 4 month old at home. I hate this class...

[SS Junk]

Nah, dog probably comes in if taser fails.

No further questions.

[GhostTX]

Nah, dog probably comes in if taser fails. But the situation changed very quickly to the top. Which would be "guns" or Deadly force. He wasn't complying to verbal commands, still held a potential weapon, and then turns to attack. So no time for the doggy.

No further questions.

But you fail to acknowledge the bolded. Which everybody has harped on in one form or fashion.