ZL1/GT500 on same dyno

[whitetrash]

I agree. Mustang has been outselling the Camaro forever until the new Camaro came out a few years ago and a combination of styling, decent V6, good LS3/99 engine, and pent up demand from the mullet crowd allowed the Camaro to take the crown. Just this past month (May), the Mustang outsold the Camaro for the first time since the new Camaro release.

I'll disagree just a tad on the base Vette comment. I think a relatively low option Grand Sport is actually the best overall performance package out there right now. It can do it all performance wise, and do it all day long on the track, for easily less than $50k OTD nowadays. Dry sump LS3, wide body, Z06 brakes/wheels/tires, TR6060, etc. Yum.

for grand sport cost ild say shell out a few grand extra and get the Z06.

[quikag]

It is because the Mustang tends to outsell the Camaro. Why do they need to try hard when they can just mail it in and still sell more? Recent years have seen that situation change to some degree and you see what Ford did to respond.

I still say the base Corvette coupe is the best car you can buy for the money. That is kind of my bottom line on this whole argument of money versus all around performance. It's like a sore dick, you just can't beat it. lol

I agree. Mustang has been outselling the Camaro forever until the new Camaro came out a few years ago and a combination of styling, decent V6, good LS3/99 engine, and pent up demand from the mullet crowd allowed the Camaro to take the crown. Just this past month (May), the Mustang outsold the Camaro for the first time since the new Camaro release.

I'll disagree just a tad on the base Vette comment. I think a relatively low option Grand Sport is actually the best overall performance package out there right now. It can do it all performance wise, and do it all day long on the track, for easily less than $50k OTD nowadays. Dry sump LS3, wide body, Z06 brakes/wheels/tires, TR6060, etc. Yum.

[crapstang]

ZL1 people are majorly butthurt... their "it's supercharged" excuse is no longer valid...and they still have more cubes even then. Ouch.

[Broncojohnny]

my apolagies i miss said that. any new production. ie the 2003
, 2005 or 7 whichever it slipps my mind. ect

Oh I gotcha. Absolutely you are right about that. Idiots were paying stupid money. I don't see that with the 2013 yet. The first few cars on ebay were stupid, at $80K but there have been a few on there in the $60k range which isn't much more than MSRP with nav and the fancy suspension option.

[whitetrash]

You could buy a new 2012 for $4k less than MSRP any day on ebay for the past year. I been watching them for quite a while.

my apolagies i miss said that. any new production. ie the 2003
, 2005 or 7 whichever it slipps my mind. ect

[Broncojohnny]

ill respectfully disagree based on the last few cobras/gt500s history. they have pulled more than MSRP for a solid year as i recall. in fact people shat bricks when being able to pay MSRP

You could buy a new 2012 for $4k less than MSRP any day on ebay for the past year. I been watching them for quite a while.

[Broncojohnny]

The next best thing is always right around the corner. Remember, the LSA has been around since 2009 with the CTS-V. So, in 2013 MY, Ford finally comes out with an engine that beats the LSA. Honestly, Ford is almost always behind the 8 ball with their powertrains IMO. This engine is finally a step ahead of GM's comparable offering. I know we can talk about the '03/'04 Termi as being a competitive engine, but overall the 4.6 Mustang was a complete dog and was for many, many years. Crap, '96 Mustang 4.6 all the way to what last year for the new 5.0 to come out? Only time the Mustang was ahead of the Camaro in the last 15+ years is when GM stopped building the Camaro after 2002.

I love competition. I've put my money where my mouth is with my Vette and CTS and I love them both. I'm very happy to see Ford and Dodge fighting hard. There is no doubt Ford is going to take this blown 5.8 and throw it in their next supercar. Dodge's new Viper is looking great. Heck, their 6.4 Hemi is a sweet engine too. Dodge needs a lighter sports car to drop it into IMO.

I love it nowadays. Still remember being younger and stressing out whether there would be cool cars to buy when I was old enough to have a job and buy them. Glad that stress was unwarranted.

It is because the Mustang tends to outsell the Camaro. Why do they need to try hard when they can just mail it in and still sell more? Recent years have seen that situation change to some degree and you see what Ford did to respond.

I still say the base Corvette coupe is the best car you can buy for the money. That is kind of my bottom line on this whole argument of money versus all around performance. It's like a sore dick, you just can't beat it. lol

[whitetrash]

I don't think so, i think before it is all said and done at year end 2012 you will be able to buy the GT500 for much lower than MSRP. I'm betting it will be right around $50K for a basic one without all the navigation and other bullshit that only women would want.

ill respectfully disagree based on the last few cobras/gt500s history. they have pulled more than MSRP for a solid year as i recall. in fact people shat bricks when being able to pay MSRP

[quikag]

They can always add production. As for the all the swinging dicks who are talking about them, talk is cheap. It is an entirely different thing to actually write out the check to make a deal on a $60K car happen. Furthermore, wait until the pictures of the redesigned 2014 car come out, the sheep will be enchanted with the next big thing and tend to forget about last year's gt500. It will end up like the 2003 Cobra, IE highly sought after for people who want to modify it, besides that no one will really care.

The next best thing is always right around the corner. Remember, the LSA has been around since 2009 with the CTS-V. So, in 2013 MY, Ford finally comes out with an engine that beats the LSA. Honestly, Ford is almost always behind the 8 ball with their powertrains IMO. This engine is finally a step ahead of GM's comparable offering. I know we can talk about the '03/'04 Termi as being a competitive engine, but overall the 4.6 Mustang was a complete dog and was for many, many years. Crap, '96 Mustang 4.6 all the way to what last year for the new 5.0 to come out? Only time the Mustang was ahead of the Camaro in the last 15+ years is when GM stopped building the Camaro after 2002.

I love competition. I've put my money where my mouth is with my Vette and CTS and I love them both. I'm very happy to see Ford and Dodge fighting hard. There is no doubt Ford is going to take this blown 5.8 and throw it in their next supercar. Dodge's new Viper is looking great. Heck, their 6.4 Hemi is a sweet engine too. Dodge needs a lighter sports car to drop it into IMO.

I love it nowadays. Still remember being younger and stressing out whether there would be cool cars to buy when I was old enough to have a job and buy them. Glad that stress was unwarranted.

[Steve]

They can always add production. As for the all the swinging dicks who are talking about them, talk is cheap. It is an entirely different thing to actually write out the check to make a deal on a $60K car happen. Furthermore, wait until the pictures of the redesigned 2014 car come out, the sheep will be enchanted with the next big thing and tend to forget about last year's gt500. It will end up like the 2003 Cobra, IE highly sought after for people who want to modify it, besides that no one will really care.

Very solid points.

[CJ]

No kidding. Frankly I'm surprised to see the GT500 able to beat it. That 70-170 bullshit is Vette territory.

Likewise. Whenever I run 03 cobras which I'm neck and neck with the moment we hit 100mph I start pulling away. Goes to show how versatile the new shelby is.

[Broncojohnny]

They're going to make 2000 of them, and it's the last car that Carroll Shelby had a hand in developing. Supply and demand will keep the prices high. If you're able to con a dealer into selling one for at or under MSRP, then jump on it because I just don't think this car's value is going to drop anytime soon.

EVERYONE is talking about how they want to buy one, this is their dream car, etc... that is the telltale sign that this will forever be a good collectible car.

They can always add production. As for the all the swinging dicks who are talking about them, talk is cheap. It is an entirely different thing to actually write out the check to make a deal on a $60K car happen. Furthermore, wait until the pictures of the redesigned 2014 car come out, the sheep will be enchanted with the next big thing and tend to forget about last year's gt500. It will end up like the 2003 Cobra, IE highly sought after for people who want to modify it, besides that no one will really care.

[Steve]

They're going to make 2000 of them, and it's the last car that Carroll Shelby had a hand in developing. Supply and demand will keep the prices high. If you're able to con a dealer into selling one for at or under MSRP, then jump on it because I just don't think this car's value is going to drop anytime soon.

EVERYONE is talking about how they want to buy one, this is their dream car, etc... that is the telltale sign that this will forever be a good collectible car.

Hameedi said they would build as many as they had orders for and are not limited to 2000 units.

[oh1bullitt]

It was a tongue in cheek comment. Ford did kick GM's ZL1 a** with this new GT500. Good thing is you will be able to get loaded ZL1's for $50k all day long here pretty quick (if not already) and the comparably equipped GT500 is mid 60's. So, $15k difference. Clearly GM is going to have to compete on price as performance (at least straight line) is clearly in Ford's favor.

I cannot wait for the magazine comparison tests to come in. I think the ZL1 will be competitive on a road course, but straight line is a blood bath at this point.

Fox body and $50k [/thread]

100/.85 = 117.65

495/.85 = 582.35

595/.85 = 700.0

700 - 582.35 = 117.65

lol! Prick!