GT350R Dyno - Stock

[LaserSVT]

I've always wanted a Viper as well, but when it came time to actually plunk down that much cash for an almost decade old used 2-seater, I couldn't personally justify it. Daydreaming and cutting a check are two very different frames of mind.

I owned a GTS many years ago and hated it. Shifted like crap, rode like crap, I am not a pro driver so I kinda like having some nannys and the car HATES any dampness on the road. Car spent its entire time trying to kill me. I am sure the current ones are way way better but I hated mine. More so when we got it up on a rack and it looks like it was built in a barn from a chopped up Dakota.

[Rreemo]

Ah, gotcha. Your reasoning is still right on as far as the cost/benefit. That's a lot of coin.

No kidding man. I'm kinda thinking it makes more sense to just invest in another old car with that $20K instead of putting it down on one of these. I'd sure like to have one though.

[jammeejamm]

at around 5000 a year for the 350 and 500 a year for the 350r for five years, could one really call these an investment?

[quikag]

at around 5000 a year for the 350 and 500 a year for the 350r for five years, could one really call these an investment?

Investment for suckers. Ford has never said these will be limited edition.

[AArod]

Should ls swap one. Ls> all day errry day!

[KWClutch]

Investment for suckers. Ford has never said these will be limited edition.

Seeing as how the R models are selling for 90 to low 100s I'd say I'd take that "sucker" investment. I'm sure the market will fall as it usually does but they should hold value fairly well. And yes Ford said they were limiting the R to 500 per year and approx 5000 for the GT350 for 16 and 17. They do not plan to continue it past 17 but Ford has changed their minds before.

[quikag]

Seeing as how the R models are selling for 90 to low 100s I'd say I'd take that "sucker" investment. I'm sure the market will fall as it usually does but they should hold value fairly well. And yes Ford said they were limiting the R to 500 per year and approx 5000 for the GT350 for 16 and 17. They do not plan to continue it past 17 but Ford has changed their minds before.

The R may hold value fairly well, especially if Ford limits total production, but the non-R won't hold value very well over the long-term IMHO.

[KWClutch]

Additionally if you buy 95% of cars as an investment you're not doing it right.

[BLAKE]

The R may hold value fairly well, especially if Ford limits total production, but the non-R won't hold value very well over the long-term IMHO.

The hell it won't. What's a mint 93 cobra go for?

[slow99]

Additionally if you buy 95% of cars as an investment you're not doing it right.

Word, investments are things like gold and lead.

[Rick Modena]

Lots of people seem to think otherwise.

Not really, it seems 5500 people and in the grand scheme of things thats a low number.

Agreed. Though I get it that it isn't worth it to Rick. However it's a damn bargain when you consider it's a production race car.

I was expecting more and when you can get a Roush with a blower and a long list of parts, it would seem like a better deal than the factory GT350.

Sounds like it needed a driver mod. They have the car rated at 526/429 so with traditional drivetrain loss percentages it seems like it was under rated. It has .2 more cubes. Yes it has a higher RPM due to the crank but it makes 100 more hp with a much better curve than a stock 5.0. Tune only they are knocking on 500. LTs and tune they are around 520. I wouldn't say that's unimpressive.

I bleed FORD blue and have given more than my fair share to Ford since 1991, but I didn't use the word unimpressive, I said I would expect more for $65k+. It's a cool car, it looks kick ass and the motor is very exotic, but just like the Euro cars, not enough TQ for such a heavy car with IRS.

I had better hopes for these. My swap with lts and 302 intake on a bone stock 2011 take out made 457/399 with a power steering pump on the front. These have cubes, better heads, better intake and other trickery as well as another 1000 rpm to make hp. Drive line loss must be terrible. Hate to say it but I will take a 1LE Camaro at a hell of a discount all day long. Hell last weekend our bone stock 2004 911 ran away from a GT350 with ease down at TWS. The 350 made all kinds of noise but never seemed to go anywhere. The lack of torque and 3800# with driver makes the car very unimpressive.

This is what I've done to my 5.0 and makes plenty of power for me. I like the newer body style but, I'm not paying their outrageous prices for a similarly optioned car, much less to close to a $100k for a car with a special mill and some Recaro seats and suspension.

[A_A_G]

This thing is a bargain at sticker (both R and non-R), do you guys remember what the 2000 Cobra R stickered for? And I'm pretty sure this thing will eat it around the track.

[Rick Modena]

This thing is a bargain at sticker (both R and non-R), do you guys remember what the 2000 Cobra R stickered for? And I'm pretty sure this thing will eat it around the track.

Uhhh, Ford only made 300 of those and they made almost 400hp/400tq to the wheels and weighed 3400lbs. So I would guess that the GT350R is more suited to be compared but I doubt it will eat it around the track, i also remember 175+mph top speed...

[BLAKE]

Uhhh, Ford only made 300 of those and they made almost 400hp/400tq to the wheels and weighed 3400lbs. So I would guess that the GT350R is more suited to be compared but I doubt it will eat it around the track, i also remember 175+mph top speed...

I'm no expert, but I bet the GT350 would destroy a 2000 R around a track.

[quikag]

Uhhh, Ford only made 300 of those and they made almost 400hp/400tq to the wheels and weighed 3400lbs. So I would guess that the GT350R is more suited to be compared but I doubt it will eat it around the track, i also remember 175+mph top speed...

Uh, a GT350R would stomp a mud hole in a 2000 Cobra R. My '08 Vette gave a red one hell (and it was driven by a solid driver) at MSR many years ago.

I wasn't the one who brought up the word 'investment' into the discussion. I agree most car purchases are not investments at all. Even my GT4 will be lucky to hold value over a longer period of time, much less appreciate.

The only Ford that is guaranteed to go up in value over time is the Ford GT, the new one and old one.