New xbox unveiled

[JC316]

That must mean you use the arrow keys for movement. When Quake1 was first release, no one used mouses for movement, it was all keyboard. Arrow keys, space to jump, ctrl to fire...I remember in a later patch they enabled +mlook 1 so you could use your mouse to aim. It was completely foreign to everyone. It was mindblowing immersion. You could aim rockets are the ground now for splash damage.

Switching from Z-X-Space-ctrl-arrows to wsad and mouse was one of the hardest things that I ever had to do. Now I cant switch back.

[Nemo]

FYI, they can hear you through connect on live games haha.

[FATHERFORD]

first time I played battle field and I tried to rocket jump i was pissed!

[CJ]

it's a personal thing. right thumb for aim/look feels like it has a tremendous lack of precision especially when combined with movement. it's a similar in feeling to throwing a ball with your off hand. very awkward which turns into frustration.

in terms of game pads, i've spent 20+ years using left hand as movement and right as functions. while this is nothing new (ps2 and beyond have had these setups) i have never gotten use to dual thumb sticking. i'm sure i would have this same disaster on pc if it had two analog controls but luckily one hand has buttons.

but don't mind me, my mouse keyboard controls are probably vastly different from most peoples unless you were a quake child on the PC.

That must mean you use the arrow keys for movement. When Quake1 was first release, no one used mouses for movement, it was all keyboard. Arrow keys, space to jump, ctrl to fire...I remember in a later patch they enabled +mlook 1 so you could use your mouse to aim. It was completely foreign to everyone. It was mindblowing immersion. You could aim rockets are the ground now for splash damage.

[motoman]

Then you remove your control from the controller and reaction time suffers.

I used to, back when I played every day for a few hours, had my mouse be high on sensitivity. Games were also a lot more fast paced then they like BF/COD.

Some of it I'm sure is I'm not even a "causal" gamer anymore, I just play a couple hours a week if that. Fact remains the mouse will always have a quicker response and more accurate then a joystick.

I can see where that could slow you down. Personally I'm more comfortable with a gamepad but I'm faster with a keyboard and mouse and that's only because you're very limited with sensitivity settings on consoles. Even when you add in a "turbo" controller, they don't seem to work as well on consoles as gaming mice do on computers.

it's a personal thing. right thumb for aim/look feels like it has a tremendous lack of precision especially when combined with movement. it's a similar in feeling to throwing a ball with your off hand. very awkward which turns into frustration.

in terms of game pads, i've spent 20+ years using left hand as movement and right as functions. while this is nothing new (ps2 and beyond have had these setups) i have never gotten use to dual thumb sticking. i'm sure i would have this same disaster on pc if it had two analog controls but luckily one hand has buttons.

but don't mind me, my mouse keyboard controls are probably vastly different from most peoples unless you were a quake child on the PC.

I gotcha, I guess it's similar for me with all these sports games using a joystick for the fancy moves when compared to the old school button that spins, jukes, sprints, etc...

You'd be surprised when it comes to keyboard controls for games. I remap nearly every key for every game I play.

[FATHERFORD]

but don't mind me, my mouse keyboard controls are probably vastly different from most peoples unless you were a quake child on the PC.

Yep... its control and game play that makes me aggravated. BF4 plays nothing like quake.

Mouse, Keyboard, and the rail gun. I used to be unstoppable.

[momo]

I don't understand this. To me it's no more natural or unnatural than using a mouse an keyboard. I completely agree that it's easier and faster with a mouse and keyboard but even with those you have the WASD keys for movement and the mouse for looking around, same thing with your sticks.

it's a personal thing. right thumb for aim/look feels like it has a tremendous lack of precision especially when combined with movement. it's a similar in feeling to throwing a ball with your off hand. very awkward which turns into frustration.

in terms of game pads, i've spent 20+ years using left hand as movement and right as functions. while this is nothing new (ps2 and beyond have had these setups) i have never gotten use to dual thumb sticking. i'm sure i would have this same disaster on pc if it had two analog controls but luckily one hand has buttons.

but don't mind me, my mouse keyboard controls are probably vastly different from most peoples unless you were a quake child on the PC.

[FATHERFORD]

The joystick is under tension with a spring so as soon as I let up, it returns to zero on it's own. It's not like I have to physically move it back to the center for my player to stop moving or stop turning. I guess you and I play differently with a game pad

Then you remove your control from the controller and reaction time suffers.

I used to, back when I played every day for a few hours, had my mouse be high on sensitivity. Games were also a lot more fast paced then they like BF/COD.

Some of it I'm sure is I'm not even a "causal" gamer anymore, I just play a couple hours a week if that. Fact remains the mouse will always have a quicker response and more accurate then a joystick.

[motoman]

Joystick you move to look, you have to return it to neutral for you to stop moving.

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The joystick is under tension with a spring so as soon as I let up, it returns to zero on it's own. It's not like I have to physically move it back to the center for my player to stop moving or stop turning. I guess you and I play differently with a game pad

[FATHERFORD]

I don't understand this. To me it's no more natural or unnatural than using a mouse an keyboard. I completely agree that it's easier and faster with a mouse and keyboard but even with those you have the WASD keys for movement and the mouse for looking around, same thing with your sticks.

The mouse and the joystick work completely different.

The mouse you move to look, when you stop the mouse it stops looking in that location.

Joystick you move to look, you have to return it to neutral for you to stop moving.

There is an extra "move" you must make while playing with a joystick while looking around. It's just not a natural feeling. Which is what screws me over because I then usually over correct. My brain tells my hand/thumb I'm at my target so stop moving, which then has me over shoot my target. I then go "oh shit" and over correct the other direction.

It's just not as precise.

Good news I was reading that the XBONE will have mouse/keyboard compatibility eventually.

[motoman]

dual joystick move/aim is very unnatural.

I don't understand this. To me it's no more natural or unnatural than using a mouse an keyboard. I completely agree that it's easier and faster with a mouse and keyboard but even with those you have the WASD keys for movement and the mouse for looking around, same thing with your sticks.

[momo]

I could have a guy standing straight in front of me and I could unload a 40 round mag and not hit the fucker once. My rage playing that game came out and my wife was looking at my funny...

I don't understand how you can play that game accurately without a mouse. The whole concept you have to move the stick, then let go to return to non moving position on the stick is just a complete waste of time and inaccurate.

yea most of those folks started with halo or COD on consoles so they have a 10 year head start on us. dual joystick move/aim is very unnatural.

[FATHERFORD]

i don't do FPS games on consoles cause i feel like a complete imbecile.

I could have a guy standing straight in front of me and I could unload a 40 round mag and not hit the fucker once. My rage playing that game came out and my wife was looking at my funny...

I don't understand how you can play that game accurately without a mouse. The whole concept you have to move the stick, then let go to return to non moving position on the stick is just a complete waste of time and inaccurate.

[momo]

forza needs a steering wheel...

and I suck playing BF4 and COD with a controller... I should have just bought them for my computer.

agreed on all accounts. a wheel is a must. i only have a simply logitech DFGT setup but it has made every car game i've played so much more fun.

i don't do FPS games on consoles cause i feel like a complete imbecile.

[FATHERFORD]

My biggest regret, is buying disk games.

You load the entire thing on the xbox anyway. Might as well buy digital.

I'm almost to the point of reselling my games used, and just buying the digital version.