Secure communications?

[ceyko]

It's unacceptable for daily usage but if you have something you are paranoid about getting to point B without interception? Couriers cannot be beat. You also hire someone that is going to take it directly there without question. It's going to cost a chunk but absolutely cannot be beat

If you're talking about a physical item, sure. If you're talking about some data - no way in hell. I'll trust heavily encrypted, point to point, monitored and quickly (10 or less ms) transmitted data. People are a weakness, the time, the distance travel, stagnant time sitting around...etc...etc are all vulnerabilities. Defense in depth from a technology perspective makes it a lot safer than courier.

All things do have vulnerabilities, just have to eliminate as much as possible and it's generally a lot harder to compromise a very secure network than it is to compromise some human.

Security includes but is not limited to...

Physical security (HUGE - think social engineering bypassing everything done)
Network security
Server sec (confused with network security sometimes and vice-versa)
Siloing the humans managing it all
Strict auditing and logging of everything
Application security

Generally any network compromised has failed in one or more of those areas. I know you see it on the news a lot, but I know several sec guys that have the authority they need and their networks have not been compromised since they've been in charge. One of them is a card processor that is HUGE.

There are other more qualified people to speak on this matter, but if done correctly - especially on a small scale it's very difficult to penetrate. If compromised, the data encryption is another hurdle to overcome on top of it all.

Now the only exception I'd make is if it's that important - the person who wants it to be so secure taking it themselves would be a lot less likely to switch sides. Still risks, but to say a 3rd party person (including employees) is better than a secure network - I just can't agree to that.

[Nash B.]

It's unacceptable for daily usage but if you have something you are paranoid about getting to point B without interception? Couriers cannot be beat. You also hire someone that is going to take it directly there without question. It's going to cost a chunk but absolutely cannot be beat

Didn't you see Premium Rush?

[Forever_frost]

If you're talking about a physical item, sure. If you're talking about some data - no way in hell. I'll trust heavily encrypted, point to point, monitored and quickly (10 or less ms) transmitted data. People are a weakness, the time, the distance travel, stagnant time sitting around...etc...etc are all vulnerabilities. Defense in depth from a technology perspective makes it a lot safer than courier.

All things do have vulnerabilities, just have to eliminate as much as possible and it's generally a lot harder to compromise a very secure network than it is to compromise some human.

Security includes but is not limited to...

Physical security (HUGE - think social engineering bypassing everything done)
Network security
Server sec (confused with network security sometimes and vice-versa)
Siloing the humans managing it all
Strict auditing and logging of everything
Application security

Generally any network compromised has failed in one or more of those areas. I know you see it on the news a lot, but I know several sec guys that have the authority they need and their networks have not been compromised since they've been in charge. One of them is a card processor that is HUGE.

There are other more qualified people to speak on this matter, but if done correctly - especially on a small scale it's very difficult to penetrate. If compromised, the data encryption is another hurdle to overcome on top of it all.

Now the only exception I'd make is if it's that important - the person who wants it to be so secure taking it themselves would be a lot less likely to switch sides. Still risks, but to say a 3rd party person (including employees) is better than a secure network - I just can't agree to that.

You're right of course. If you need it done right then, then you go with military grade encryption and dedicated systems. If it's something you don't trust to not be intercepted electronically? Get someone in house that you hire just for that job to deliver it personally. You have a chain of custody. You want to go beyond that? Put a tracking system on the agent's phone that will show you where they are as they move. Can they be physically stopped? Sure. But then you have direct knowledge that it happened and can handle it legally instead of being unsure who is looking at your information.

I'm not an expert on this issue but I have done some trips with sensitive items to ensure they are delivered without issue.

[Forever_frost]

Didn't you see Premium Rush?

I didn't fortunately. I couldn't buy into a guy on a bike being so obsessed with delivery that he ignores being chased with a car

[ceyko]

I'm not an expert on this issue but I have done some trips with sensitive items to ensure they are delivered without issue.

I've done TMI things as well. Those were because there was no way to do it via a data transmission. End of every damned month.

[Forever_frost]

I've done TMI things as well. Those were because there was no way to do it via a data transmission. End of every damned month.

Exactly. If security is that big of a deal, you do physical delivery of a hard drive. If it's not and you don't mind the NSA looking through it, go digital

[roliath]

You're right of course. If you need it done right then, then you go with military grade encryption and dedicated systems. If it's something you don't trust to not be intercepted electronically? Get someone in house that you hire just for that job to deliver it personally. You have a chain of custody. You want to go beyond that? Put a tracking system on the agent's phone that will show you where they are as they move. Can they be physically stopped? Sure. But then you have direct knowledge that it happened and can handle it legally instead of being unsure who is looking at your information.

I'm not an expert on this issue but I have done some trips with sensitive items to ensure they are delivered without issue.

gps can be blocked very easily. military grade encryption is just a term there is no "real" encryption standard that i'm aware of solely used for Military. Correct me if i'm wrong, as I would be interested in reading up on it.

[Nash B.]

gps can be blocked very easily. military grade encryption is just a term there is no "real" encryption standard that i'm aware of solely used for Military. Correct me if i'm wrong, as I would be interested in reading up on it.

High-capacity assault encryption algorithms.

[ceyko]

gps can be blocked very easily. military grade encryption is just a term there is no "real" encryption standard that i'm aware of solely used for Military. Correct me if i'm wrong, as I would be interested in reading up on it.

Hardware encryption instead of mainly software based. I'm sure there is civilian grade hardware stuff too, but the military stuff is bad ass. Unreliable as hell, but bad ass. Fart wrong and it needs rekey'ed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIV-7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KG-84

Those are some of them I've used.

FF, you really have some wires crossed on this matter.

[Forever_frost]

Hardware encryption instead of mainly software based. I'm sure there is civilian grade hardware stuff too, but the military stuff is bad ass. Unreliable as hell, but bad ass. Fart wrong and it needs rekey'ed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIV-7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KG-84

Those are some of them I've used.

FF, you really have some wires crossed on this matter.

I usually do but dammit, I am adamant aren't I?

[ceyko]

I usually do but dammit, I am adamant aren't I?

That you are...

[roliath]

Hardware encryption instead of mainly software based. I'm sure there is civilian grade hardware stuff too, but the military stuff is bad ass. Unreliable as hell, but bad ass. Fart wrong and it needs rekey'ed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIV-7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KG-84

Those are some of them I've used.

FF, you really have some wires crossed on this matter.

That's some old tech

[ceyko]

That's some old tech

Basically same stuff was being used during OIF/OEF. There are some other things, but to be honest I can't remember designations anymore.

[Forever_frost]

That's some old tech

We use some old stuff but it tends to work well. I think our SINGARS are from the 80's but still in use.

[ceyko]

We use some old stuff but it tends to work well. I think our SINGARS are from the 80's but still in use.

Think it is SINCGARS (Channel)...I was a 31C for awhile.

Nothing wrong with those for damned sure. Those were solid radios.