Wow...he's lucky it wasn't worse.

[DON SVO]

It goes without saying that you should practice drawing and firing with any gun you are going to carry, so the manual safety should be a non-issue. Saying that the grip safety slows you down is laughable.

Who said the grip safety slows you down?

[Trick Pony]

It goes without saying that you should practice drawing and firing with any gun you are going to carry, so the manual safety should be a non-issue. Saying that the grip safety slows you down is laughable.

[momo]

i'm not big enough to conceal a 1911 until winter, when i can wear my hoodie.

till then, i just rock the ninja stars.

[Nash B.]

And I would JB Weld my hands to prevent holes being shot in them.

[momo]

i just JB weld all my safeties in the kill position.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Safety stuff doesn't concern me except for when it hinders my ability to be faster than the other person, if that makes sense. For that reason, I carried a G27 and now a CW40... they're brainless point-N-shoots.

I promise you that dis engaging the safety will not slow down my time from draw to first shot. I like guns with good sights, that point well, that I can shoot well. If a manual safety gives me all of the rest of what i want, then it's a very reasonable feature.

[Rick Modena]

Exactly Don, my safety is my holster. If I have to pull that bitch out, someone is getting shot.

[DON SVO]

The point of the question was the demonstrate the absurdity of the proposed situation. Just like my proposed situation in which you're hit in the head. If I was that concerned about such an unlikely problem occurring, I'd carry a revolver. We're just giving you a hard time. The only thing you have to do when you fire a 1911, is flip the safety off, hold the gun, and squeeze the trigger. If that concerns you, then leave the safety off and it's the same as your kahr.

Safety stuff doesn't concern me except for when it hinders my ability to be faster than the other person, if that makes sense. For that reason, I carried a G27 and now a CW40... they're brainless point-N-shoots.

[ram57ta]

I want to be able to not worry about something as dumb as a grip safety, I want to be able to shoot him vitally before he shoots me. It really is that simple, stop reading into it and trying to find what isn't there. I don't like the grip safety. I carry firearms without grip safeties. That's it.

That is EXACTLY why I bought a PF9....the only safety is ME pulling or NOT pulling the trigger. I didn't want to have to worry about a mechanical safety ACCIDENTALLY switching on (such as that on the Ruger LC9).

[CJ]

My response was to Tony asking how to clear a jam with a hurt shooting hand. How would you clear a FTE if your strong hand was damaged and the perp was still firing at you?

The point of the question was the demonstrate the absurdity of the proposed situation. Just like my proposed situation in which you're hit in the head. If I was that concerned about such an unlikely problem occurring, I'd carry a revolver. We're just giving you a hard time. The only thing you have to do when you fire a 1911, is flip the safety off, hold the gun, and squeeze the trigger. If that concerns you, then leave the safety off and it's the same as your kahr.

[Rick Modena]

Tell them bitches whats up, Don!

[DON SVO]

That's even more ridiculous than your first reason.

My response was to Tony asking how to clear a jam with a hurt shooting hand. How would you clear a FTE if your strong hand was damaged and the perp was still firing at you?

Jesus fucking Christ Don. Carry what you want, but this is as stupid of an argument as the "carry without a round in the chamber" discussion.

There's nothing dumb about it. I won't carry a 1911 because of the multitude of safe features that are on it and need to be deactivated. In a high-stress situation (like getting shot at) I want something fast and brainless. I would OWN a 1911, but it would most certainly be a range gun.

Again, my comment was sarcastic and directed at situations that can arise in a shootout (and seem to do so with frequency, the '25% of gunshots being to the hands' portion). Specifically, if I am EVER unfortunate enough to be put into a situation where I have to draw on an armed attacker I realize I may very well get hit. I want to be able to not worry about something as dumb as a grip safety, I want to be able to shoot him vitally before he shoots me. It really is that simple, stop reading into it and trying to find what isn't there. I don't like the grip safety. I carry firearms without grip safeties. That's it.

[BlackGT]

I carry a G-32 daily and have yet to shoot myself or any kids in the face, by accident of course.

I also have never owned or wanted to own a 1911, but it is because they just don't feel right in my hand and price, especially the Colts. Though I really do like the smaller 1911 type guns, like the STIs...

My daily carry is also a G-32 and my experience with it mirrors yours.

[Trick Pony]

I realize it varies my make/model, but how much pressure does it actually take to depress the grip safety on a 1911? It would seem that if you can't depress it then you might not have enough grip strength to pull the trigger anyway. I've never noticed it taking much pressure on my Colts but I've never consciously thought about it.

[Mike]

I switch between a 1911 and LC9. If someone shooting me in the hand stops me from being able to defend myself, then they deserve the kill shot.
I had a Keltec that I decided to trade off for the LC9 because I wasn't comfortable having a gun with no external safety in the house with a toddler.