Is this sign "legal"?

[GhostTX]

What's funny is you try to explain this to business owners or people who do not want guns on premise (for other purposes) - and they look at ya like you're retarded.

Why do you even try to explain it to them? Let them be ignorant and let us carry.

[8mpg]

I work in a hospital and pointed it out to the dumbass security people a long time ago. Out medical office building has a proper 30.06 though the hospital doesnt.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I work in a hospital and pointed it out to the dumbass security people a long time ago. Out medical office building has a proper 30.06 though the hospital doesnt.

am I mistaken or arent hospitals automatically excluded, sign or not?

[8mpg]

am I mistaken or arent hospitals automatically excluded, sign or not?

please refer to my bold sections above

[Baron Von Crowder]

please refer to my bold sections above

I did, am I mistaken or arent hospitals automatically excluded, sign or not?

[8mpg]

I did, am I mistaken or arent hospitals automatically excluded, sign or not?

subsection 4(b) states they must have a 30.06

[goofygrin]

Read the footnote... says that they have to give you notice under 30.06.

[Baron Von Crowder]

subsection 4(b) states they must have a 30.06

Gotcha, I kinda halfway remember my CHL instructor talking about that. His advise was to avoid carry in any government building, hospital, etc. I could see that being a PIA if you had to fight it.

[KBScobravert]

The fuck? What a giant pain in the ass. And they paying for the flights?

They (.gov) paid for this first round trip since it was classified as emergency leave. The second trip in a few days is on me. Yes a pain in the ass but it makes since once you lay it all out.

are you shitting me!.. they are making you go all the way back there for a week?!

all this traveling back and forth and I will only be in Afghanistan for less than 48 hours this layover.

gtg?

I am going to want to be hitting the range for sure when I get back in.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

this place is also not a hospital its a private medical office

[ceyko]

Why do you even try to explain it to them? Let them be ignorant and let us carry.

Because I feel like it's best to try and help people not be ignorant on things I know a little about. Until my CHL class and forums like this one, I would have thought any sign was enough.

However, once they refuse to validate it for themselves and just assume I'm wrong - I don't go all crazy on them. I just let them be ignorant.

[Venix]

LOL hell no that's ridiculously insufficient. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the law use to read that EVEN IF 30.06 is correctly displayed, it has to be displayed on ALL entrances to the location, and I believe it's rendered irrelevant if it isn't, unless that has changed.

If you see the sign, it only has to be posted once somewhere and then it becomes effective. For example, at a public library, they have it posted by the bathrooms. So as long as you do go to the bathroom, you dont see it. Once you see it though, you have to abide by it.

Hospitals, however, do not even have to post signage.

[CJ]

If you see the sign, it only has to be posted once somewhere and then it becomes effective. For example, at a public library, they have it posted by the bathrooms. So as long as you do go to the bathroom, you dont see it. Once you see it though, you have to abide by it.

Hospitals, however, do not even have to post signage.

I was pretty sure it had to be on all entrances, that's something I'd like someone to confirm if it's written. Because as you describe it you would get into trying to prove whether or not someone saw the sign, and all the semantics involved.

[Nash B.]

If you see the sign, it only has to be posted once somewhere and then it becomes effective. For example, at a public library, they have it posted by the bathrooms. So as long as you do go to the bathroom, you dont see it. Once you see it though, you have to abide by it.

Hospitals, however, do not even have to post signage.

It has to be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public." But that's pretty vague. And hospitals DO have to post the signage. Look at what 8mpg posted earlier.

30.06:

Sec. 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Entry" has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) "License holder" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

[silverhatch]

Don't forget it has to be in English and Spanish.