Form 1 a weapon you constructed?

[CJ]

Yep, you are correct, no serial #. Here's a snippit from an atf letter:

Also, for your information, a nonlicensee may manufacture a semiautomatic rifle for his or her own personal use. As long as the firearm remains in the custody of the person who manufactured it, the firearm neednot be marked with a serial number or name and location of the manufacturer. However, if the firearm is transferred to another party at some point in the future, the firearm must be marked in accordance with the provisions set forth in 27 CFR § 478.92 (formerly 178.92). If you decide to sell or transfer said firearm, we will send you to prison.

Seems like they missed the last bit of that.

[DallasSleeper]

The cops I talked to, at least the two at the range, were clueless. They thought they knew everything though. It just scares me that they are out there, and they don't know the laws they enforce. They were both from DWG as well.

It is understandable that police will not know every law on the books regarding every possible subject, But they need to learn how to say "I am not sure, and then look up the answer."

[FATHERFORD]

So if you make a firearm, you can't transfer it ever?

[CJ]

It is understandable that police will not know every law on the books regarding every possible subject, But they need to learn how to say "I am not sure, and then look up the answer."

What concerned me is they didn't know, thought they did, and were not interested at all in my knowledge over their own. I even showed them evidence, in their hands, and they dismissed it.

[phaux]

They were both from DWG as well.

There's your problem. A bunch of asshats they are! Same people who gave me a ticket for being in the army and having a different address on my license even though its a federal law I don't have to change my address as I move around so much. When I explained the law to the cop he told me "take it up with the judge" and handed me a ticket.

[forbes]

u dont need to serial number the gun u build unless you sell it. U r in kinda of a gray area as for the sbr build. u need to file the form 1 prior to building, but you need a serialized (rather by you on an 80%, or by the actual reciever number if you buy complete) that is what the atf field agent explained to me

[CJ]

u dont need to serial number the gun u build unless you sell it. U r in kinda of a gray area as for the sbr build. u need to file the form 1 prior to building, but you need a serialized (rather by you on an 80%, or by the actual reciever number if you buy complete) that is what the atf field agent explained to me

And if you sell it that's illegal (which I find humorous). As far as the form1 prior to building that kind of leaves you open.

[TeeShock]

Is it possible to prove ownership without serialization?

[CJ]

Is it possible to prove ownership without serialization?

That was a topic I put up a few weeks ago. That's something I've always been concerned with. You can describe it's appearance, barrel markings, etc. but that's all subjective.

I'm half tempted to send an anonymous letter to DWG with a copy of the 1968 GCA highlighting the part about serial numbers.

[gat0r]

i know a guy who SBR'd his AK flat build.
he laser engraved a made up s/n, then filed paperwork. (listed himself as manufacturer) after it came back approved, he chopped barrel.

[KBScobravert]

That was a topic I put up a few weeks ago. That's something I've always been concerned with. You can describe it's appearance, barrel markings, etc. but that's all subjective.

I'm half tempted to send an anonymous letter to DWG with a copy of the 1968 GCA highlighting the part about serial numbers.

It will fall on deaf ears. Their response is probably along the lines of "we are enforcing the law not interpreting it" even though they don't know what the law actually is. "Take it up with the judge"

[Kart21]

That's definitely not true. There is no law that states that. Gotta be careful what you read on the internet.

On a second note, I was shooting at my range last weekend and there were some police officers there. I was talking to them about this, and asked them about running serials when you get pulled over. I then asked him about guns without serials (pre 68 GCA) and they said all of them were illegal. They had no idea that guns were produced without serial numbers legally. I even had my 552 which has no serial, showed it to them, and then came to the conclusion it was illegal, or had a serial number hidden somewhere on it. Absolutely refused to believe it.

That's fuckin' scarey !!!

I had 2, 12 gauge shotguns one from Sears and one from Monty Wards w/o serial numbers.

Made in '57 and '59.

Oh shit !!!! illegal guns !!!

[svauto-erotic855]

I just wanted to make sure the ATF didn't cross reference for a 4473.

The BATFE doesn't have access to the 4473 records to be able to cross reference anything. They have to go in person to the dealer that sold the gun to find that and if the gun was bought second hand from a dealer it is nearly impossible for for them to trace it.

[Quadforce]

I have a friend that imports a bunch of stuff rom China and they will send you billet AR recievers with no markings so I wondered about this.. I want to build a SBR with one and wanted to start from scratch

[Quadforce]

strike last comment they are no longer online I guess I sould have ordered when I could.