.22 wmr or .223 for varmint hunting?

[YALE]

If you're going to do that then you mine well jump up to a .22-250 or a .223 where you're going to have far more options for rifles and reloading components, we can play that game all day. The .17 WSM isn't trying to win any sort of best caliber competition, it simply solved the problems that a lot of people have with the .17HMR and that's how it's affected by wind. It's still not perfect but I would guess that over time you'll see some heavier grain .17 WSM projectiles hit the market.

Really, a hot .204 or .17 centerfire with a light bullet is going to be better than .223 or .22-250, but that's presuming the intention is shooting a fur-bearing varmint in season and preserving the pelt. .22-250 is still better than a .223, and getting closer to what the smaller bore bullets will do, but it isn't quite the same.

[motoman]

I'm not sold on the .17 WSM just yet. It's a rimfire, not reloadable... It's the most powerful rimfire cartridge you can buy, but it's still a rimfire. Think I would opt for a .204 Ruger and some reloading dies...
32 grain @ 4,300fps,40 grain @ 3,900fps,45 grain @ 3,650fps > 20grain @ 3,000...

If you're going to do that then you mine well jump up to a .22-250 or a .223 where you're going to have far more options for rifles and reloading components, we can play that game all day. The .17 WSM isn't trying to win any sort of best caliber competition, it simply solved the problems that a lot of people have with the .17HMR and that's how it's affected by wind. It's still not perfect but I would guess that over time you'll see some heavier grain .17 WSM projectiles hit the market.

[BlackGT]

I'm not sold on the .17 WSM just yet. It's a rimfire, not reloadable... It's the most powerful rimfire cartridge you can buy, but it's still a rimfire. Think I would opt for a .204 Ruger and some reloading dies...
32 grain @ 4,300fps,40 grain @ 3,900fps,45 grain @ 3,650fps > 20grain @ 3,000...

[motoman]

I wonder if it is a deal for just a few years then they will offer their products. I also wouldn't mind seeing CZ build one either.

Sorry I should have clarified further, it was just an exclusive launch deal. I'm sure other companies will adopt the round as it's had nothing but great reviews and feedback. Savage can't crank those rifles out fast enough.

[dee]

I wonder if it is a deal for just a few years then they will offer their products. I also wouldn't mind seeing CZ build one either.

[motoman]

Is Savage the only player right now? I figured Winchester will put something out along with Browning since they are owned by the same company.

Yeah and from what I've read, they struck a deal with Savage being a the number one seller for .17 HMR rifles.

[dee]

I may wait to see if the caliber is going to make it . Be nice to see if other manufactures pick it up .

Is Savage the only player right now? I figured Winchester will put something out along with Browning since they are owned by the same company.

[longshot]

.300 WSM / close thread

[SMKR]

Wholesale on that gun is around 270 bucks. Add shipping around 22.50 to the dealer. That puts the cost just under 300 to the dealer. Academy and large retailers can afford to make 20 bucks a gun because they buy so many. Try those guys for little less on guns(if they have them in stock that is).

Both of my wholesalers do not have that gun in stock. I agree, 450 is a bit too much. He is reaching because of the newness of the caliber. JMHO.

(I do have a BNIB Marlin .17HMR in stock if you want to go that way fairly cheap.)

Randy

Randy I sent you a PM.

[SOLOW55]

I may wait to see if the caliber is going to make it . Be nice to see if other manufactures pick it up .

[likeitfast55]

Wholesale on that gun is around 270 bucks. Add shipping around 22.50 to the dealer. That puts the cost just under 300 to the dealer. Academy and large retailers can afford to make 20 bucks a gun because they buy so many. Try those guys for little less on guns(if they have them in stock that is).

Both of my wholesalers do not have that gun in stock. I agree, 450 is a bit too much. He is reaching because of the newness of the caliber. JMHO.

(I do have a BNIB Marlin .17HMR in stock if you want to go that way fairly cheap.)

Randy

[motoman]

Man they are price gouging , $450 for $ 300 gun ,I'll wait .

Yup, should be able to get that for about $300

[SOLOW55]

This?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=358748382

What scope?

Man they are price gouging , $450 for $ 300 gun ,I'll wait .

[Pewter Y2K Z28]

I've always liked my .22-250 for smaller game.

Another vote for .22-250

[motoman]

This?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=358748382

What scope?

That's it. It's literally a brand new rifle to the market. Scope choice will be completely up to you as to how far you're shooting on a consistent basis and how much you want to spend. On a lower budget something like Nikon Prostaff, Bushnell Banner Dusk & Dawn, Redfield Revenge, Vortex Crossfire II, Vortex Diamondback, or Leupold Rifleman would do just fine. If you want to get into an entry level higher end scope, the Vortex Viper can be had for about $400.