LOL @ Magpul's facebook

[David]

Colt competition is a seperate commercial entity, Remington is in the process of relocating entirely to AZ (my editor is at their facility right now), and kahr/ptr/ati made good on their claims. I will continue to patronize their businesses.

Editor? Like for your internet posts?

[Mr_Fiux]

So turns out they ain't moving at all?

Alex you should make that post but make it so as a critical point of opinion that way they cant litigate against it.

[YALE]

LOL, I'm sure they do. My problem with building them was getting in spec receivers. PTR has HK spec receivers, almost all their cuts are perfect and in spec. I had a century receiver gun (CETME) that was a gigantic pain in the ass to get it running. Originally it was a completely out of spec non functioning gun. I picked it up for nothing and I ran across a century receiver off craigslist. I like blame the problems on Century, because they are the reason I had to take it apart, but I made the best gun I could with the parts. I had to raise the FCG up higher than spec to get the disconnector/hammer to actuate properly. But, when it was done it ran fine. The two other receiver guns were much easier. I borrowed the mandrel tool from militaryfirearm.com (they have a list over there you can get on) and it made a great receiver to start with. The first one I did was with a used trunion, the second one was a new trunion, which was much easier. Now that PTR is making affordable guns building a HK91 from a parts kit isn't really economical, they are a big pain in the ass to build. I'm glad they stepped in because Century had no fucking idea what they were doing on HK platform. Every single HK gun they built I have been able to find problems with.

I think Century uses a configurable mandrel for all their stamped guns, in addition to just plain rushing things out the door. Inconsistency in the tooling has go to be why all their guns are so inconsistent. PTR has the Portuguese H&K tooling, so they win at life.

[CJ]

Dude, I love my PTR. They build a better G3 than CJ.

LOL, I'm sure they do. My problem with building them was getting in spec receivers. PTR has HK spec receivers, almost all their cuts are perfect and in spec. I had a century receiver gun (CETME) that was a gigantic pain in the ass to get it running. Originally it was a completely out of spec non functioning gun. I picked it up for nothing and I ran across a century receiver off craigslist. I like blame the problems on Century, because they are the reason I had to take it apart, but I made the best gun I could with the parts. I had to raise the FCG up higher than spec to get the disconnector/hammer to actuate properly. But, when it was done it ran fine. The two other receiver guns were much easier. I borrowed the mandrel tool from militaryfirearm.com (they have a list over there you can get on) and it made a great receiver to start with. The first one I did was with a used trunion, the second one was a new trunion, which was much easier. Now that PTR is making affordable guns building a HK91 from a parts kit isn't really economical, they are a big pain in the ass to build. I'm glad they stepped in because Century had no fucking idea what they were doing on HK platform. Every single HK gun they built I have been able to find problems with.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

If your going to call out Aero, you have to call out spikes.

I didn't look at Spike's during the run, I did see Aero gouging a bit. Another that I didn't mention is CDNN, those fuckers are STILL pretending to be Cheaper Than Dirt with their $299 stripped LWRC lowers.

[YALE]

Colt competition is a seperate commercial entity, Remington is in the process of relocating entirely to AZ (my editor is at their facility right now), and kahr/ptr/ati made good on their claims. I will continue to patronize their businesses.

Dude, I love my PTR. They build a better G3 than CJ.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Places like Areo Precision that were gouging consumers during the run on guns,

If your going to call out Aero, you have to call out spikes.

[Moose242]

Colt is still HQ in CT, Remington in NY. Kahr would possibly be a ok big one. PTR I wouldn't consider having clout and I have no idea what ATI is.

Colt competition is a seperate commercial entity, Remington is in the process of relocating entirely to AZ (my editor is at their facility right now), and kahr/ptr/ati made good on their claims. I will continue to patronize their businesses.

[LANTIRN]

Price gouging from Expensive as Shit, Dicks not selling ARs, and otber similar activities bothered me enough to stop doing business there. A local gun shop was selling pmags for $75 and I refuse to step foot in there anymore.

Magpul not leaving CO did not bother me that much; yes it was immature to do, but they still make good products and their prices are good. I have never had a pmag fail, and that is good enough for me to keep buying them.

[CJ]

I agree with this statement, mostly. They are giving the local economy the jobs and the income that comes with it. I am no tax expert but doesn't the businesses income get reported through the state their HQ is in? Say HQ in Washington state but manufacturing in Texas: Texas gets the jobs and their incomes along with inventory taxes (I would think) but the accounting is done in Washington where their tax liability is less.

Partially. The employees are still paid in Texas, and do not pay NY state income taxes, etc. It also depends on how the entity is set up, some are subsidiaries, s corps, and some are separate entities. I don't know much about it honestly, it's over my head, but I do know that many companies that manufacture in Texas try to keep most of the income/capital within the state as there are some tax shield laws Texas grants.

[KBScobravert]

And Apple is still HQ in the US but all the manufacturing jobs went to China. When you send your workforce to another state economy, you're making a statement.

I agree with this statement, mostly. They are giving the local economy the jobs and the income that comes with it. I am no tax expert but doesn't the businesses income get reported through the state their HQ is in? Say HQ in Washington state but manufacturing in Texas: Texas gets the jobs and their incomes along with inventory taxes (I would think) but the accounting is done in Washington where their tax liability is less.

[David]

They are sending manufacturing jobs out of state.

Ok

[YALE]

Colt is still HQ in CT, Remington in NY. Kahr would possibly be a ok big one. PTR I wouldn't consider having clout and I have no idea what ATI is.

ATI is a big importer of foreign guns, and a manufacturer.

[CJ]

So their HQs are not longer mfg firearms?

They are sending manufacturing jobs out of state.

[KBScobravert]

Didn't AR15.com move their home from NY to the DFW area also?

I am a fan of most of the Magpul furniture but I have just as much Daniel Defense or Samson stuff at the same time. Their spacegun 870 shit, not so much. I do admit to owning a bunch of their Pmags and will further admit to continuing to purchase them when I find a deal. However, I do not hunt down the latest generation, most of mine are window-less, from 2008ish and that is fine with me.

It does disappoint me to see companies like that play on our strings. It is not like they needed to pull a stunt to market their stuff. Unless I have not been keeping up with the times on ARFCom and Magpul is out and Lancer or ATI is in.