Obama's going for the EO

[KBScobravert]

Dealers already do background checks at gun shows. Obama and the left seem to think it's like walking into a flea market where it's completely unregulated and you can buy anything you want without any kind of a record.

Sure legally you can walk in and lay down a wad of cash and buy a weapon from a private party at a gun show. However you'll be doing so in the presence of 10-20 uniformed peace officers plus several dozen more out of uniform shopping for themselves. That and there is a very good chance whoever you deal with is former police or military and likely a patriot that isn't going to sell a weapon to someone that's remotely suspicious.

I have bought from pricate parties and sold from my private collection to private parties and even dealers at gun shows. You simply walk around and if you are buying and see something you want you buy it. If you are selling a simple sign on your back and you can find a buyer. Point is, it isn't like you think, where everyone there but you is a LEO of some sort. No body gives a shit about your personal business there. There aren't police watching you sell anything
Hell the 2-4 uniformed cops there are on side jobs checking to make sure you don't bring in loaded firearms.

Hit up the show in Fort Worth on Jan 2-3.

My view on his EO. They try and try but nothing ever sticks. I believe there intent is ultimately national registration and forcing you to account for private sales through an FFL. I also think they will put clauses about passing firearms through wills after a death and passing them as gifts. Ultimately they want to be able to take them away.

[KBScobravert]

They want to go after idiots like this, no FFL and actively building and selling AR's to who-ever has the $$. Granted it is done almost every day by thousands, but to openly advertise on the internet is just stupid. Then bring 50 AR's to a gun show and sell with no 4473. While I know we have the right to sell our guns to whoever is legal to own, this however is beyond that. This is "In the business".

That will get you a visit from the atf for sure. Where in the post there does he say he is building with the intent to sell? I am sure there are tons of idiots who try to do it for profit as a business without an ffl but they deserve what they get.

[Broncojohnny]

This is really just a stunt to try to get Hillary some support.

[ceyko]

It's bullshit.

[juiceweezl]

And #3, I shouldn't be held responsible if I sell someone an item and they are a criminal, or I should just be held responsible for their actions. Shouldn't apply if I sell someone a car they use to get a dui and kill someone while drunk, shouldn't apply if I sell someone a burger and they have a heart attack, and it damned sure shouldn't apply if I don't know tbey are a felon and I sell them a gun. I am so fucking tired of this liberal bullshit and their lies. Fuck them.

Selling a car that is in a DUI and a burger to someone who has a heart attack aren't the same as selling a gun to a felon who then commits a crime in my mind. If you said selling a car to a guy who showed up drunk to buy it and then letting him drive off, maybe. I get your point though, and I'm with you -- I'm not supporting any control measures. If I knew the Libtards would back down on some items and truly compromise, then I would be in favor of closing the 'loophole'. However, we know that will not happen, so they should GTFO.

[svauto-erotic855]

Anytime the feds try to interfere with anything that doesn't cross state lines it is nothing but a power grab. The ultimate goal is to get as many transactions onto the books as possible to lay down the ground work for national gun registration followed by gun confiscation shortly after; just like they are doing in NY and CA as we speak.

[svauto-erotic855]

Selling a car that is in a DUI and a burger to someone who has a heart attack aren't the same as selling a gun to a felon who then commits a crime in my mind. If you said selling a car to a guy who showed up drunk to buy it and then letting him drive off, maybe. I get your point though, and I'm with you -- I'm not supporting any control measures. If I knew the Libtards would back down on some items and truly compromise, then I would be in favor of closing the 'loophole'. However, we know that will not happen, so they should GTFO.

Before the GCA allowing or not allowing a felon to own a gun was up to the states. The Feds pinky swore that the gun problems would all just go away if we just gave in and allowed them to have a power that they had never had before by allowing them to set national firearms policy and they also pinky swore that they would never ever even think about using the GCA to interfere with honest citizens. How has all that been working out?

[LANTIRN]

Before the GCA allowing or not allowing a felon to own a gun was up to the states. The Feds pinky swore that the gun problems would all just go away if we just gave in and allowed them to have a power that they had never had before by allowing them to set national firearms policy and they also pinky swore that they would never ever even think about using the GCA to interfere with honest citizens. How has all that been working out?

This. They have been successfuly slowly encroaching since the 1930's with the nfa bullshit before even the gca. And it hasnt made anyone a bit safer.

[juiceweezl]

Before the GCA allowing or not allowing a felon to own a gun was up to the states. The Feds pinky swore that the gun problems would all just go away if we just gave in and allowed them to have a power that they had never had before by allowing them to set national firearms policy and they also pinky swore that they would never ever even think about using the GCA to interfere with honest citizens. How has all that been working out?

I don't disagree with a lack of effectiveness or even pretend that it's not a grab for rights/firearms. I just wanted to see different takes and opinions on the matter.

In an ideal situation where no higher agenda existed, I would be okay with requiring background checks for all sales whether via retail outlet, gun show, or person to person. I know it wouldn't stop someone who wants to obtain a gun from doing so illegally, but in that ideal world, there would be prosecution for those who sold the gun as well. I would also support many felons being able to legally purchase as well since there are obviously different types of crimes/convictions. We know none of that will ever happen, so I'm not supporting any grab by the left though and wish they'd take their BS away.

[ceyko]

Yeah, as pro gun folks can't give anymore - we've already allowed them to crap all over the 2A.

[Gargamel]

I will say I am 100% against all sales for individuals requiring a 4473. #1, as stated above I am tired of compromises that are all lies and really just a way to confiscate rights. Fuck you (gun control advocates) for even bringing it up again. #2, as I said already the only way to enforce it is 100% registration at the federal level and I sure as fuck don't trust them as I believe that is their goal and what they will suggest to make it work. And #3, I shouldn't be held responsible if I sell someone an item and they are a criminal, or I should just be held responsible for their actions. Shouldn't apply if I sell someone a car they use to get a dui and kill someone while drunk, shouldn't apply if I sell someone a burger and they have a heart attack, and it damned sure shouldn't apply if I don't know tbey are a felon and I sell them a gun. I am so fucking tired of this liberal bullshit and their lies. Fuck them.

This....
It's all about national registration.

They want to know who's doors to break down first when they succeed in castrating the 2nd amendment.

Half of this country doesn't believe in the right to own a firearm....
(But we should have a right to a free cell phone)

[LANTIRN]

This....
It's all about national registration.

They want to know who's doors to break down first when they succeed in castrating the 2nd amendment.

Half of this country doesn't believe in the right to own a firearm....
(But we should have a right to a free cell phone)

And as long as the freebies keep coming rights will keep disappearing. Rights are literally being purchased from us when they aren't being downright stolen.

[soap]

God damn hippies. I suppose next they'll want us to all wear skinny jeans.

[LANTIRN]

God damn hippies. I suppose next they'll want us to all wear skinny jeans.

And wool caps in the summer.

[Darren M]

God damn hippies. I suppose next they'll want us to all wear skinny jeans.

And call women cows