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I was watching history channel and they had a show about dogs and how they are starting to breed them. People breed dogs by the temperament.... If you breed a aggressive dog with another aggressive dog you get a even more aggressive dog! That can also be said for the exact opposite. Breed a friendly dog with another friendly and you'll get an even more friendly dog.Originally posted by Cooter View PostI'm talking about the fact that pit bulls are OFTEN owned and bred by trash who won't destroy an aggressive animal... they'll breed it if it looks tough on a 3/8" chain
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I need to talk to the guy who hooked up my dogs parents. A dumbass and a dumbass create a real dumbfuck.Originally posted by papapepper View PostI was watching history channel and they had a show about dogs and how they are starting to breed them. People breed dogs by the temperament.... If you breed a aggressive dog with another aggressive dog you get a even more aggressive dog! That can also be said for the exact opposite. Breed a friendly dog with another friendly and you'll get an even more friendly dog.
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What you fail to acknowledge is the fact that pit bulls were bred to be very NON-people aggressive. It was extremely important to have dogs that would be gentle towards humans, easily controlled, and that would not accidently turn on their owners even in the heat of a battle with other animals. They needed dogs that could be attacking a bull, get thrown in the air, and have the owners catch them in mid-air without getting bit, and send them back into the fight. Dogs that showed any aggression towards humans were put down. It's the modern thug that has turned some of them into people-aggressive animals.Originally posted by Cooter View PostI'm saying it's nature and nurture... I'm saying you can't train genetics... if a dog was bred for hundreds/thousands of generations to fight and kill, you're not going to just train it out of it...
great danes have been bred for well over 100yrs for good temperament and friendliness...
my aussie was bred for herding... his bloodline has about 20 generations of breeding purely for temperament... he's a "family" line, not a working line. BUT, he still tries to herd constantly!! LOL you can't just train that out of him...
the difference is, if my dog "snaps" and goes aggressive, he's just going to nip... he has no jaw strength.
if a pit bull snaps, it's going to do some damage... seen it first hand a number of times with dogs who "have never done anything like that!"
to think it's 100% nurture is just flat out ignorant... as fucking dumb as that dumbass who thought he could go to Alaska and live with the bears
Great Danes were bred to hunt and kill wild boar. They bred the biggest, toughest, meanest specimens they could. So much for your comparison.
Hell, a TON of dogs were bred for purposes that they aren't used for today, many of those were violent purposes. It has very little, if anything, to do with the dogs we now call pets.
If anything, it's the pit bull's loyalty and eagerness to please it's owner that allows them to be misused so successfully by the lowlifes in today's society. And yes, some of those dogs are bred to make even worse dogs. It's a shame, but it can be corrected, and it's not the origin of the breed that you shoudl blame.
By the way, they don't have locking jaws.
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Keep in mind that the prime specimins of the breed back in those times were typically less than 50 lbs. Heck, even now, they are usually around that size, and the ones used for dog fights are often 30-40 lbs.Originally posted by 347Mike View PostNo way in hell could I catch your dog Jared if it was flung in the air and coming at me.
My dogs are fat and happy like me!
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My dog is bred to trap coyotes, wild hogs & Bob cats. Tree up anything it can find and head cattle. In my own opinion a whole lot more aggressive then my neighbors pitbull or a lot of others I've seen. The one thing my dog doesn't have is lock jaw or it would be on! Guess what I'm trying to say is it all depends on how the dog was bred. Heck my dog is very territorial and if one of my other dogs even looks my way she'll be all over them making them stare at a wall just because she believes I'm all hers.Originally posted by jluv View PostWhat you fail to acknowledge is the fact that pit bulls were bred to be very NON-people aggressive. It was extremely important to have dogs that would be gentle towards humans, easily controlled, and that would not accidently turn on their owners even in the heat of a battle with other animals. They needed dogs that could be attacking a bull, get thrown in the air, and have the owners catch them in mid-air without getting bit, and send them back into the fight. Dogs that showed any aggression towards humans were put down. It's the modern thug that has turned some of them into people-aggressive animals.
Great Danes were bred to hunt and kill wild boar. They bred the biggest, toughest, meanest specimens they could. So much for your comparison.
Hell, a TON of dogs were bred for purposes that they aren't used for today, many of those were violent purposes. It has very little, if anything, to do with the dogs we now call pets.
If anything, it's the pit bull's loyalty and eagerness to please it's owner that allows them to be misused so successfully by the lowlifes in today's society. And yes, some of those dogs are bred to make even worse dogs. It's a shame, but it can be corrected, and it's not the origin of the breed that you shoudl blame.
By the way, they don't have locking jaws.
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What was an italian greyhound breed for? Taking shits in their kennel?Originally posted by jluv View PostWhat you fail to acknowledge is the fact that pit bulls were bred to be very NON-people aggressive. It was extremely important to have dogs that would be gentle towards humans, easily controlled, and that would not accidently turn on their owners even in the heat of a battle with other animals. They needed dogs that could be attacking a bull, get thrown in the air, and have the owners catch them in mid-air without getting bit, and send them back into the fight. Dogs that showed any aggression towards humans were put down. It's the modern thug that has turned some of them into people-aggressive animals.
Great Danes were bred to hunt and kill wild boar. They bred the biggest, toughest, meanest specimens they could. So much for your comparison.
Hell, a TON of dogs were bred for purposes that they aren't used for today, many of those were violent purposes. It has very little, if anything, to do with the dogs we now call pets.
If anything, it's the pit bull's loyalty and eagerness to please it's owner that allows them to be misused so successfully by the lowlifes in today's society. And yes, some of those dogs are bred to make even worse dogs. It's a shame, but it can be corrected, and it's not the origin of the breed that you shoudl blame.
By the way, they don't have locking jaws.
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were... how are they bred now?Originally posted by jluv View PostWhat you fail to acknowledge is the fact that pit bulls were bred to be very NON-people aggressive.
seems like a lot of people breed them for pure aggressiveness or merely pure muscle size.
exactly! that's how they ARE being bred now! I see that you agree with meIt's the modern thug that has turned some of them into people-aggressive animals.
were... over the 18th and 19th centuries the focus was on temperament and kindness...Great Danes were bred to hunt and kill wild boar.
I thought you agreed with me?They bred the biggest, toughest, meanest specimens they could. So much for your comparison.
I didn't say they had locking jaws, but they can certainly clamp down pretty tight... often times people say "lock down" to mean clamp down tightly. I watched an owner at the park try to pry his dog's mouth open to release the boxer it was "locked down on"... to no avail... only succeeded in cutting up his hands. he finally had to choke him to the point that the dog started to pass out before he could get the dog to release its grip.Hell, a TON of dogs were bred for purposes that they aren't used for today, many of those were violent purposes. It has very little, if anything, to do with the dogs we now call pets.
If anything, it's the pit bull's loyalty and eagerness to please it's owner that allows them to be misused so successfully by the lowlifes in today's society. And yes, some of those dogs are bred to make even worse dogs. It's a shame, but it can be corrected, and it's not the origin of the breed that you shoudl blame.
By the way, they don't have locking jaws.
I've never seen that problem with a poodle, german shepherd, aussie, great dane, or countless other breeds.
if that pit had been locked onto my dog, I could have cut its fucking throat right there. I even offered to do it for the guy, but he was too busy choking out his bad ass dog to listen. The girl who owned the boxer was too busy freaking out to do anything.
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