No refusal weekend!!! HAVE A DD

[Big A]

I've stopped feeling bad about manipulating any system that gives me an advantage in life. The people running this show don't give a fuck about our rights, or this country, so why should I have an ethical problem using their own system against them?

It is simply all about ethics. If I were OJ, I would fully expect to spend the rest of my life in jail, and rightfully so. Those same ethics keep me from killing a person, much less my wife. Personal responsibility is what this country is lacking, big time. I've been shown enough leniency (sp) in the past to belive that "those running the show" aren't necessarily out to screw everyone that they possibly can over.

If you get caught driving drunk, man up and accept the fact that you were fucking up.

[Silverback]

But what exactly could he sue for? On a no refusal weekend, the officer tells the judge he thinks the suspect is drunk, and he gets a warrant.

wrongful arrest? violation or rights? wasting his time? illegal issuance of a warrant?

Because it sounds like there isn't much he can do

Oh yeah, and does he get his license suspended for 180 days for the refusal, even though after his blood was drawn he wasn't legally drunk?

And some other questions.... What about if a suspect refuses, has his blood drawn, and comes back under the legal limit? Do they just get let go? Do they have the right to sue the state because an officer made the wrong call in issuing the warrant?

Well, I'd think the beauty of it, is that you can pretty much sue anyone for anything. Much like police officers can pretty much arrest you for nearly anything, if they decide you've got a bad attitude. Because in those situations with those type of officers, it isn't about protecting, it's about one upmanship and showing who is in charge.

[ALLAN]

Just following orders.

[Silverback]

With justified probable cause, yes. We aren't talking about random checkpoints where they pull every third person out of the driver's seat and pull blood.

Actually the no refusal weekend was started with random checkpoints, but now that more cities have adopted the idea, every officer can take them in.

I do have a question for the cops, since we have several in different cities.

What's the procedure for the no refusal weekend? Is there a special facility with a nurse on site to take the blood? Is the area sanatized to ensure non contamination? Or are the suspects taken to a hospital to have their blood drawn?

And some other questions.... What about if a suspect refuses, has his blood drawn, and comes back under the legal limit? Do they just get let go? Do they have the right to sue the state because an officer made the wrong call in issuing the warrant?

The one time that I was in a position to blow, I didn't refuse. Not because I was ignorant of the law, but as far as I was concerned, a fuck up is a fuck up. I was fully prepared to take the punishment given, because I had broken the law. Anyone refusing is simply trying to manipulate the system to get away with breaking the law, and creating a very unsafe situation.

I've stopped feeling bad about manipulating any system that gives me an advantage in life. The people running this show don't give a fuck about our rights, or this country, so why should I have an ethical problem using their own system against them?

[Unicorn Jeff]

With justified probable cause, yes. We aren't talking about random checkpoints where they pull every third person out of the driver's seat and pull blood.

Have they ever done checkpoints in the DFW metroplex?

[Big A]

Ok, so should it be ok for a city say that June is "No Refusal" Month for property search warrants? Basically the whole month of June, any cop wanting to do a property search has a magic, instant warrant at their disposal?

With justified probable cause, yes. We aren't talking about random checkpoints where they pull every third person out of the driver's seat and pull blood.

[Big A]

It's the automatically issuing a warrant for your blood for ANYONE that refuses, that's pushing the limits of violating your rights.

You can't even issue a blood warrant without a defense attorney's representation in a murder trial.

The one time that I was in a position to blow, I didn't refuse. Not because I was ignorant of the law, but as far as I was concerned, a fuck up is a fuck up. I was fully prepared to take the punishment given, because I had broken the law. Anyone refusing is simply trying to manipulate the system to get away with breaking the law, and creating a very unsafe situation.

[Unicorn Jeff]

I do like this though. Matt vs DFWMUSTANGS PD!

[Unicorn Jeff]

Fucking fatty

[Osiris]

[Silverback]

When a search warrant has been granted for your home or car, do you have the right to have an attorney present beforehand? No. Having an attorney present, as I understand it, applies to only your statements. Physical property is another thing, much like a trafficer harboring illicit substances or bombs in the vagina or rectum.

Interesting argument though, is the body property, sacred, or something in between?

Ok, so should it be ok for a city say that June is "No Refusal" Month for property search warrants? Basically the whole month of June, any cop wanting to do a property search has a magic, instant warrant at their disposal?

[roliath]

so glad I don't drink anymore, so I don't have to put up with this bullshit

[Big A]

No I know what you are saying, but again, even if you get the warrant to take my blood, and do. I still requested an attorney before making any decisions, I never refused, only asked to speak to someone who makes a living understanding the laws before I make a decision. Then when the attorney fights it in court, they will ask the officers if I requested an attorney before making any decisions, which will show that I was within my rights to do so. I'm also sure the attorney would request a trial by jury, so that the jurors would be more apt to understand what a violation or rights it is to take blood from someone without their consent or allowing them to speak to an attorney.

This isn't a bash on any cops here, I understand you're doing what you're told to do by your superiors. But those making the laws here are way out of line, and once it reaches the Supreme Court, I guess it will be decided, but then what about everyone that had their blood taken against their wishes? Do they all get to sue the city/county/state for abusing their rights?

When a search warrant has been granted for your home or car, do you have the right to have an attorney present beforehand? No. Having an attorney present, as I understand it, applies to only your statements. Physical property is another thing, much like a trafficer harboring illicit substances or bombs in the vagina or rectum.

Interesting argument though, is the body property, sacred, or something in between?