No refusal weekend!!! HAVE A DD

[VETTKLR]

"Stop breaking the law, asshole!"

That's about it.

[Broncojohnny]

Since they took on the job and we started paying them. That's when.


This sounds more like the failing argument of a teenage child to their parent, and not the argument of a full-grown man, arguing constitutional rights of drunks.


Go build your own roads and do all the horseshit you want on them. Then throw a mix of walking/running/driving drunks out there, because it's their right.

Of course the Supreme Court decided long ago that driving on public roads and traveling in general was a inalienable right and that any state regulation of the process was simply a tolerated infringement on that right. But hey, I won't stop you, I think you are probably just getting started with your law and order lecture. Tell us all about it, Hitler.

[VETTKLR]

Since when does government have the right to regulate travel?

Since they took on the job and we started paying them. That's when.

Much like anything else state government just decided it had that right. Should they regulate walking next? Ok maybe running is more dangerous, should they regulate running? Should we all have to get a license to run?

This sounds more like the failing argument of a teenage child to their parent, and not the argument of a full-grown man, arguing constitutional rights of drunks.

I'm not making the case that we shouldn't have any regulations for driving but on the other hand, the idea that driving is some sort of "privilege" granted by the state is complete horseshit used to justify more of the horseshit we are discussing in this thread.

Go build your own roads and do all the horseshit you want on them. Then throw a mix of walking/running/driving drunks out there, because it's their right.

[BP]

Have they ever done checkpoints in the DFW metroplex?

I've seen FWPD setup check points on Las Vegas trail before. Not necessarily for DWI's though, there are loads of crappy apartments over there and tons of dope dealing.

So what happens when you tell the officer you are currently taking Coumadin for blood clots? Are they still going to forcibly strap you into a chair and stick you with a needle even though there is a good chance you'd end up bleeding to death as a result?

[94form2000z]

Thank god the states gave wagons the right to travel cross country back in the day. lol

[Broncojohnny]

This is a fucking mess!

Since when was it anybody's constitutional right to drive on public roads? I could have sworn it was a privilege and not a right.

Since when does government have the right to regulate travel? Much like anything else state government just decided it had that right. Should they regulate walking next? Ok maybe running is more dangerous, should they regulate running? Should we all have to get a license to run?

I'm not making the case that we shouldn't have any regulations for driving but on the other hand, the idea that driving is some sort of "privilege" granted by the state is complete horseshit used to justify more of the horseshit we are discussing in this thread.

[Baba Ganoush]

This is a fucking mess!

Since when was it anybody's constitutional right to drive on public roads? I could have sworn it was a privilege and not a right.

Yeah right. Everyone thinks it's a right. However, it is a privilege. We have only ourselves to blame for creating an entitled, wussified, car dependant nanny state.

[VETTKLR]

This is a good thread.

This is a fucking mess!

Since when was it anybody's constitutional right to drive on public roads? I could have sworn it was a privilege and not a right.

[kingjason]

Because Miranda applies only to custodial interrogations, it does not protect detainees from standard booking questions such as name and address. Because it is a protective measure intended to safeguard the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, it does not prevent the police from taking blood without a warrant from persons suspected of driving under the influence of alcohol. (Such evidence may be self-incriminatory, but are not considered statements of self-incrimination.)

[347Mike]

I am so glad I don't go out every other night getting plastered anymore..

[Tannerm]

Actually the no refusal weekend was started with random checkpoints, but now that more cities have adopted the idea, every officer can take them in.

I do have a question for the cops, since we have several in different cities.

What's the procedure for the no refusal weekend? Is there a special facility with a nurse on site to take the blood? Is the area sanatized to ensure non contamination? Or are the suspects taken to a hospital to have their blood drawn?

And some other questions.... What about if a suspect refuses, has his blood drawn, and comes back under the legal limit? Do they just get let go? Do they have the right to sue the state because an officer made the wrong call in issuing the warrant?

Sorry if already answered, but some areas might be different then others. In my area, one PD has a magistrate and nurse on site. You take ur arrestee to ur PD, do the Intox interview, request a specimen of breath. If he give, then no need for getting blood. If he refuses then I seat him in a holding cell and write up my warrant. Then I take him/her to the designated PD's jail and give warrant to judge. If he approves, he signs and I then take em to the nurse. Stab stab, then back to my PD for booking.

[Broncojohnny]

It's the automatically issuing a warrant for your blood for ANYONE that refuses, that's pushing the limits of violating your rights.

You can't even issue a blood warrant without a defense attorney's representation in a murder trial.

Well that is just crazy talk. It reminds me of a federal judge in a case I read about recently, the name of which I forget, where the FBI had got a warrant and found nothing. Come to find out, this piece of shit judge had never refused a request for a warrant from the FBI.

I'm sure that never happens around here though, you can trust the cops in say, Pantego or Dalworthington Gardens. Those guys only want to "protect my family".

Fucking consequentialists.

[Osiris]

This is a good thread.

It is simply all about ethics. If I were OJ, I would fully expect to spend the rest of my life in jail, and rightfully so. Those same ethics keep me from killing a person, much less my wife. Personal responsibility is what this country is lacking, big time. I've been shown enough leniency (sp) in the past to belive that "those running the show" aren't necessarily out to screw everyone that they possibly can over.

If you get caught driving drunk, man up and accept the fact that you were fucking up.

The laws we are talking about are designed to deny us the ability to have personal responsibility, because they are violating our rights to their utilitarianistic ends. What then? You can't act ethically in an unethical system.

Well, you can, but be prepared to get a severe mouth raping out of the bargain. I guess you can always say "I did the right thing." Personally, I wouldn't feel too great about doing the right thing if it meant grabbing my ankles for no other reason than someone says "because I told you so."