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  • Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning --- PSA relating to CJ's thread

    CJ's thread about people not being able to swim made me think of this. For anyone who doesn't spend much time around water this is probably the first you've heard of anything like this... file it away in your brain somewhere, you never know what might happen.



    Consider this my PSA of the month:


    Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning

    The new captain jumped from the cockpit, fully dressed, and sprinted through the water. A former lifeguard, he kept his eyes on his victim as he headed straight for the owners who were swimming between their anchored sportfisher and the beach. “I think he thinks you’re drowning,” the husband said to his wife. They had been splashing each other and she had screamed but now they were just standing, neck-deep on the sand bar. “We’re fine, what is he doing?” she asked, a little annoyed. “We’re fine!” the husband yelled, waving him off, but his captain kept swimming hard. ”Move!” he barked as he sprinted between the stunned owners. Directly behind them, not ten feet away, their nine-year-old daughter was drowning. Safely above the surface in the arms of the captain, she burst into tears, “Daddy!”

    How did this captain know, from fifty feet away, what the father couldn’t recognize from just ten? Drowning is not the violent, splashing, call for help that most people expect. The captain was trained to recognize drowning by experts and years of experience. The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television. If you spend time on or near the water (hint: that’s all of us) then you should make sure that you and your crew knows what to look for whenever people enter the water. Until she cried a tearful, “Daddy,” she hadn’t made a sound. As a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer, I wasn’t surprised at all by this story. Drowning is almost always a deceptively quiet event. The waving, splashing, and yelling that dramatic conditioning (television) prepares us to look for, is rarely seen in real life.

    The Instinctive Drowning Response – so named by Francesco A. Pia, Ph.D., is what people do to avoid actual or perceived suffocation in the water. And it does not look like most people expect. There is very little splashing, no waving, and no yelling or calls for help of any kind. To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening (source: CDC). Drowning does not look like drowning – Dr. Pia, in an article in the Coast Guard’s On Scene Magazine, described the instinctive drowning response like this:

    1.Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. Th e respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.

    2.Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.

    3.Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.

    4.Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.

    5.From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs



    This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble – they are experience aquatic distress. Not always present before the instinctive drowning response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long – but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in there own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

    Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are in the water:
    • Head low in the water, mouth at water level
    • Head tilted back with mouth open
    • Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
    • Eyes closed
    • Hair over forehead or eyes
    • Not using legs – Vertical
    • Hyperventilating or gasping
    • Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
    • Trying to roll over on the back
    • Ladder climb, rarely out of the water.


    So if a crew member falls overboard and every looks O.K. – don’t be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don’t look like they’re drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them: “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. If they return a blank stare – you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents: children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.



    This Article Was Written By Mario Vittone
    Mario Vittone has nineteen years of combined military service in the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard. His writing on maritime safety has appeared in Yachting, SaltWater Sportsman,On-Scene, Lifelines, and Reader's Digest magazine. He has lectured extensively on topics ranging from leadership to sea survival and immersion hypothermia. He is a marine safety specialist with the U.S. Coast Guard.

  • #2
    Very good info.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the info, very informative!

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      • #4
        Hmm ... did not know, thanks !
        Originally posted by Nash B.
        Damn, man. Sorry to hear that. If it'll cheer you up, Geor swallows. And even if it doesn't cheer you up, it cheers him up.

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        • #5
          Excellent material! Thank you for sharing
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          I'd run my junk through a waffle iron, if it makes you more "comfortable". LOL!

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          • #6
            I agree, great info. Makse more sense of all of the drownings recently.

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            • #7
              Shit... teach your kids to swim before you decide its okay to leave them unattended...
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              • #8
                I went out on the lake with a bunch of family a few weeks back and had a good scare. My dad, who has smoked for 40+ years now, swam away from the boat a good distance and didn't return. I noticed he was just floating in the water; not under any obvious distress, but not doing anything either. He finally sees that I'm staring at him intently and manages "I'm out of breath" in a very belabored voice. I responded, "do you have a life vest", and he says no.

                I've never swam so hard in my life. It was very sobering for both of us. I think he might not have said anything if I hadn't already been focused on him, and reading this tells me he likely wouldn't have been able to say anything if he had actually begun to drown.

                Thanks for posting this.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BajaBob View Post
                  Shit... teach your kids to swim before you decide its okay to leave them unattended...
                  Shit... Get your children CPR certified and teach them the buddy system before you decide to leave them unattended...


                  A simple cramp can kill a well seasoned swimmer.

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                  • #10
                    I'll stick this for a while.
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                    • #11
                      Great PSA. Another thing I while in Phx where drownings happen almost daily- children under 5 can drown in less tha 15 seconds. F'ing sobering for anyone with young children. Don't let ur young children much more tha an arm's length away, or you may very well regret it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chas_svo View Post
                        Great PSA. Another thing I while in Phx where drownings happen almost daily- children under 5 can drown in less tha 15 seconds. F'ing sobering for anyone with young children. Don't let ur young children much more tha an arm's length away, or you may very well regret it.
                        I had a 2 year old cousn fall in a puddle and drown, it was only a few inches deep and her mother had only turned her back for a minute or so.
                        Originally posted by Nash B.
                        Damn, man. Sorry to hear that. If it'll cheer you up, Geor swallows. And even if it doesn't cheer you up, it cheers him up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Muffrazr View Post
                          Shit... Get your children CPR certified and teach them the buddy system before you decide to leave them unattended...


                          A simple cramp can kill a well seasoned swimmer.
                          I couldn't agree more. Matter of fact, I'm living proof. Just last week my family and I were in Port A on vacation. My 5yo Son wanted to go out to the deep breakers. I said sure, let's go. Thank GOD my wife came with us. We're all decent swimmers and the surf wasn't bad at all. So we went out, water was chest deep on me. We got there and played a bit. On the way back we encountered a major dip in the sand. (I assume a rip tide was washing it away.) The water was well over my head by this time and I was carrying my son. As I stepped I found I had no footing and couldn't go backwards. I was going under and didn't know how far the bottom was! (No shit, I'm about to panic here.) I thrust my son up and screamed at my wife to catch him. (Stupid, I should have taken a big breath, not let it all out.) I'm fully under and no breath. Luckily my brain went into auto mode and all that life guard and swimming shit as a Boy Scout came flooding in. After trying to reach a bottom that basically didn't exist I began to kick up. My right calf cramped HARD, REAL hard. (Was sore for 3 solid days afterwards.) I fought through the pain and got back to the surface and took a HUGE breath and went back down. Leg still hurting like a knife was in it. I nearly thought I had been bitten by a shark or something. I finally found the bottom and shot back to the surface. Made my way back to my wife and son and grabbed him and started back to the beach. All the way my calf screaming out in pain. I couldn't walk on dry land so I just sat on the edge of the water trying to get my leg to quite cramping. Wife and son had no idea what had happened. They thought I was playing around. If that had happened to a child or anyone else who might have gone into full panic mode or couldn't fight the pain of the cramp. They would have been gone, for sure.

                          Some lessons in life are hard to learn. Luckily God, fate, whatever, was watching out for us that day. It was VERY stupid of me to go out that far, much less w/ my kid. Thank God I only suffered a sore calf for a couple of days. It is very difficult to imagine what would have happened if we would have lost any of us three that day.
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                          • #14
                            Here's the link to the mans page that wrote the article posted by Matt.... he has TONS of good info and videos on there.


                            Originally posted by Vertnut
                            I'd run my junk through a waffle iron, if it makes you more "comfortable". LOL!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darren M View Post
                              I couldn't agree more. Matter of fact, I'm living proof. Just last week my family and I were in Port A on vacation. My 5yo Son wanted to go out to the deep breakers. I said sure, let's go. Thank GOD my wife came with us. We're all decent swimmers and the surf wasn't bad at all. So we went out, water was chest deep on me. We got there and played a bit. On the way back we encountered a major dip in the sand. (I assume a rip tide was washing it away.) The water was well over my head by this time and I was carrying my son. As I stepped I found I had no footing and couldn't go backwards. I was going under and didn't know how far the bottom was! (No shit, I'm about to panic here.) I thrust my son up and screamed at my wife to catch him. (Stupid, I should have taken a big breath, not let it all out.) I'm fully under and no breath. Luckily my brain went into auto mode and all that life guard and swimming shit as a Boy Scout came flooding in. After trying to reach a bottom that basically didn't exist I began to kick up. My right calf cramped HARD, REAL hard. (Was sore for 3 solid days afterwards.) I fought through the pain and got back to the surface and took a HUGE breath and went back down. Leg still hurting like a knife was in it. I nearly thought I had been bitten by a shark or something. I finally found the bottom and shot back to the surface. Made my way back to my wife and son and grabbed him and started back to the beach. All the way my calf screaming out in pain. I couldn't walk on dry land so I just sat on the edge of the water trying to get my leg to quite cramping. Wife and son had no idea what had happened. They thought I was playing around. If that had happened to a child or anyone else who might have gone into full panic mode or couldn't fight the pain of the cramp. They would have been gone, for sure.

                              Some lessons in life are hard to learn. Luckily God, fate, whatever, was watching out for us that day. It was VERY stupid of me to go out that far, much less w/ my kid. Thank God I only suffered a sore calf for a couple of days. It is very difficult to imagine what would have happened if we would have lost any of us three that day.
                              lol damn man, the perfect storm. Yeah those sandbars can be a bitch. And, you never know what you're swimming with. I really like surf fishing Crystal Beach. A couple years ago I was surf fishing and decided to take my little niece out and let her catch some hard heads in the surf. We were probably in about 2-3' deep water not far from shore. I was helping her bait her line, and I had my surf pole slung over my shoulder. All of a sudden I got slammed in the face with my reel and I grabbed the poll and fell down on my knees. Hooked about a 4' black tip shark 7' BEHIND me, in even shallower water - literally at my feel. I caught 13 sharks that weekend.
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