Has any one had a flu shot?

[stevo]

I hate to say it but he's right dude, my GF works for the company that now owns Merck and she has heard some really bad things about these flu shots. She has some really intersting stories about things they have said in calls and meetings.

I never said he was right or wrong, I mentioned that people are many times biased (he used to work there, he no longer works there) and if they are biased they usually skew data/proof to further their cause/situation.

Stevo

[Wicked98Snake]

I swear, I think MR TINFOIL HAT has made an appearance in this thread.



So, would the words of the other 10 or 100 or 1000 top Merck scientists be more or less conclusive?

I am not getting a flu shot any time soon, but that isn't because the word of one man that may or may not have an issue with the company he used to be employed by.

Stevo

I hate to say it but he's right dude, my GF works for the company that now owns Merck and she has heard some really bad things about these flu shots. She has some really intersting stories about things they have said in calls and meetings.

[stevo]

Look who the cat drug in...

And I still laugh when I see that video.

Stevo

[stevo]

It's not just "one" man Stevo, this was just "one" article I posted. Do some research, I've done mine and have come to my conclusion. You don't agree, that's okeedokey by me.

I'm not calling it either way, I haven't done any research, but I'll compare what I said to something else: remember each side of the whole global warming argument, and how each side has mountains of their 'evidence' to prove the other side is wrong?

If I have learned anything in the last ten years, it is any and all data and evidence that people collect can be stretched, exaggerated, spun, and in some cases, omitted and fabricated, and that anyone with an agenda or anything to gain, is very likely to attempt to collect data and evidence with a bias.

Stevo

[abecx]

[Real Estate Nate]

I've never gotten a flu shot before and don't plan to. I've had the flu only once in my life.

[Up0n0ne]

It's not just "one" man Stevo, this was just "one" article I posted. Do some research, I've done mine and have come to my conclusion. You don't agree, that's okeedokey by me.

[stevo]

I swear, I think MR TINFOIL HAT has made an appearance in this thread.

So the words of a top Merck scientist is psuedo science and hearsay evidence.

So, would the words of the other 10 or 100 or 1000 top Merck scientists be more or less conclusive?

I am not getting a flu shot any time soon, but that isn't because the word of one man that may or may not have an issue with the company he used to be employed by.

Stevo

[Up0n0ne]

I appreciate you appreciating that.

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I can appreciate that.

[Up0n0ne]

Without real evidence, it's anecdotal at best. And before we start down the ridiculous path of, "Thimerosol causes autism!!!!!111," I think it's prudent to point out that the first doctor to propose that theory actually did jail time because of his falsified evidence, and is no longer a doctor. His sample group was 8 children, and his only correlating evidence was that all of them had received vaccines, and one of them had autism. That's coincidence. Thimerosol has been used since the '30's. There's no way it causes the problems people think it does. If you like, I can put you touch with a real live pharmacologist that has absolutely no stake in the vaccine game. Again, you're painting microbiology in absolutes.

Not trying to paint anything. lol But do think I looked, researched, and read real evidence.
Not in a place to argue, but from what I've researched and read, for me, there's way more pro's to not getting the flu shot and/or a vaccine than con's.

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Also, I wouldn't worry about getting someone else's leukemia cells in an injection. Your immune system will just kill them off like any bacterial intruders.

[idrivea4banger]

If I want to get sick ill do it the old fashioned way, drinking beer and fapping. I don't need no stinking vaccines.

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So the words of a top Merck scientist is psuedo science and hearsay evidence.
There's a lot more I've read that make me lean towards believing the articles, scientists, study's, etc. than to believe otherwise.
I won't count on mainstream media, commercials, or those on the payroll of Big Pharma to tell me that what's in the flu shot and vaccine's are good for me or made to help me.

A quick search for Big Pharna doesn't show me anything positive.

Without real evidence, it's anecdotal at best. And before we start down the ridiculous path of, "Thimerosol causes autism!!!!!111," I think it's prudent to point out that the first doctor to propose that theory actually did jail time because of his falsified evidence, and is no longer a doctor. His sample group was 8 children, and his only correlating evidence was that all of them had received vaccines, and one of them had autism. That's coincidence. Thimerosol has been used since the '30's. There's no way it causes the problems people think it does. If you like, I can put you touch with a real live pharmacologist that has absolutely no stake in the vaccine game. Again, you're painting microbiology in absolutes.

[Up0n0ne]

SV40 hasn't been conclusively proven to cause cancer. It may be a cocarcinogen, because it interacts with the gene marker used to regulate cell death, but if what you're saying is true, a lot more people who got the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines would've gotten cancer. You're posting pseudo science and hearsay evidence. Come back with a peer-reviewed study, and maybe you'll have something, but welcome to microbiology. It's fucking messy.

So the words of a top Merck scientist is psuedo science and hearsay evidence.
There's a lot more I've read that make me lean towards believing the articles, scientists, study's, etc. than to believe otherwise.
I won't count on mainstream media, commercials, or those on the payroll of Big Pharma to tell me that what's in the flu shot and vaccine's are good for me or made to help me.

A quick search for Big Pharna doesn't show me anything positive.