Lowes just got a customer for life!

[Snatch Napkin]

He was the one that imagined no religion, right?

solid




On a side note, seeing as the New Testament says nothing about homosexuality, does this mean that you folks are going against the Word of Jesus?

[Nash B.]

John 19:30

(It helps immensely if you know who John was)

He was the one that imagined no religion, right?

[yellowstang]

John 19:30

(It helps immensely if you know who John was)

My Grandpa was named Jon, and I have an uncle John

[Snatch Napkin]

That racrguy's problem. The Bible must be taken as a whole and can not be selectively searched by Google in a vain attempt to argue against those of us who have "gotten the point" as it were of its entire message.

Semantically speaking, your argument wasn't holding up with his. It left just enough room for me to troll right in. I was able to utilize the disdain that you already had for him and exploit the tiny details which supported his point while applying just enough logic to curb it to a more reasonable middle ground.

[The King]

Considering that heaven and earth didn't disappear, and quite a bit happened after the fact, and there is an entire book in the bible describing the end of the world, is can easily be said that everything is not accomplished.

Do you have quotes from Jesus to support your assertions?

EDIT: I'm referring to you assertion that his death accomplished everything and/or caused heaven and earth to disappear.

John 19:30

(It helps immensely if you know who John was)

[Maddhattter]

Quoting anything in the Bible as proof of the Bible being factual is what is known as a logical fallacy. I don't know why either side even bothers with that angle.

Agreed.

I'm not making any claim to it's truthfulness. However, claims about what the bible says can be true or false. That's the discussion I'm having.

[racrguy]

Quoting anything in the Bible as proof of the Bible being factual is what is known as a logical fallacy. I don't know why either side even bothers with that angle.

It matters when people say they believe what it says, and when they state it says certain things, but I'll agree with you about the whole fallacy part. There's an 11 page thread in the theology corner that's a bunch of circular arguments trying to prove its validity.

It is written, it is true...

You mean Harry Potter is a REAL PERSON!? I love those movies!

[yellowstang]

Quoting anything in the Bible as proof of the Bible being factual is what is known as a logical fallacy. I don't know why either side even bothers with that angle.

It is written, it is true...

Quoting anything in the Bible as proof of the Bible being factual is what is known as a logical fallacy. I don't know why either side even bothers with that angle.

[Maddhattter]

Yes, it did. Jesus was speaking the verses you quotethed prior to His death on the cross.

Considering that heaven and earth didn't disappear, and quite a bit happened after the fact, and there is an entire book in the bible describing the end of the world, is can easily be said that everything is not accomplished.

Do you have quotes from Jesus to support your assertions?

EDIT: I'm referring to you assertion that his death accomplished everything and/or caused heaven and earth to disappear.

Really? I run into Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics and a person who views hedonism as a religion daily and they're still breathing. But nice attempt to make your point. And the agnostic lives with me. Interesting that I haven't killed them isn't it?

I'm just speaking with hate in my heart. It isn't a big deal, is it?

Again, speaking out of your ass. I get salesmen out here from time to time and every one of them leave alive and usually with a drink of some sort as I've been taught to be hospitable.

Romans 6:14 ..... 'For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace

:facepalm: The reason I said YOU are lucky and not THEM, is the fact that you sound like the type of person who buys ANYTHING ANYONE is selling. In other words, you're a salesmans wet dream, all doe eyed and gullible.

[The King]

Matthew 5:17-20 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

Hid death did would not accomplish everything, at least not according to Jesus.

Yes, it did. Jesus was speaking the verses you quotethed prior to His death on the cross.

[racrguy]

Must be nice to be so simple.

I bet he doesn't realize that with the post you quoted, he's agreeing with me.

He said "until heaven and earth disappear." Are you calling Jesus a liar?

It can be argued that he should be completely disregarded

[Forever_frost]

Doesn't sound like complete and total made up bullshit at all. If you didn't live way out in BFE, door to door salesmen would LOVE stopping at your house.

Again, speaking out of your ass. I get salesmen out here from time to time and every one of them leave alive and usually with a drink of some sort as I've been taught to be hospitable.

Romans 6:14 ..... 'For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace

[The King]

Jesus has since, but the verses Racrguy is using argue his point.

They do not say that Jesus has fulfilled anything which would refute the Old Law yet.


The point of it all is that any hatred should be towards the radicals of the Muslim community. Hell, if we could get rid of all radicals for every damn thing, then we might actually have those Thousand or so years of peace.

Personally, I am still suspect of Middle Eastern looking individuals. I really don't think I'm a racist, though. As far as how Frost feels about them... He has seen and felt shit that I couldn't imagine from that side of the globe. He may not be right in the head, but he sure isn't wrong about his feelings.

That racrguy's problem. The Bible must be taken as a whole and can not be selectively searched by Google in a vain attempt to argue against those of us who have "gotten the point" as it were of its entire message.