Electric rates... make me feel good (or bad)ff

[kpc01]

[QUOTE=Chili;941960]No, I pay much less, but what I pay is not necessarily what is commercially available as I get my energy from my employer.

The price is kind of small on the invoice you posted but it appears you are paying over 9 cents plus TDSP charges, which is too high IMO. Based on current prices you should be able to get somewhere between 7 and 10 cents all in, depending on the term and provider.

Your TDSP charges are the same regardless which provider you use, but as I mentioned earlier, some retailers build a portion, or all, into the price and some do not.

You should not pay more than about 9 cents (including tdsp charges) for a 12 month fixed price contract right now. Go to powertochoose.org and do some shopping. If you have a couple that you want to compare appples to apples then look at their EFLs.[/QUOTE/]

Chili,

I have a different question for you that a lot of folks can't help me with. I recently (August) installed solar panels. My current provider is locked in until March at .08 kwh which was a decent deal when I locked in. Unfortunately for me there is no mandate on buying back energy from residents like CA has and there aren't many that do.

I have my own spreadsheet I'm using to try to calculate what I would save if I switch but the only ones I know of charge a higher kwh price then what I pay now. Do you know if/when the law will come into TX to force providers to buy back energy? Also any recommendations as far as providers being that I have panels. I make a decent amount of excess energy each day.

[Chili]

My biggest energy hog is the electric drier, refrigerator , freezer and all the parisitic transformers and tv's that draw when off. At least when I'm not in my shop with the welder and lights on that's about it. My largest kw hits in July and it's around 1850.

Chili, the botom line question is, do you pay about the same as me or can I get a locked in 12 month plan for less than I pay now. In my area, is the delivery charge the same for all the different providers, or do all providers cut different delivery fee contracts from TXU even for the same areas. Looking at all the different plans, it appears that all the delivery fees are different even within the same service area from different providers.

No, I pay much less, but what I pay is not necessarily what is commercially available as I get my energy from my employer.

The price is kind of small on the invoice you posted but it appears you are paying over 9 cents plus TDSP charges, which is too high IMO. Based on current prices you should be able to get somewhere between 7 and 10 cents all in, depending on the term and provider.

Your TDSP charges are the same regardless which provider you use, but as I mentioned earlier, some retailers build a portion, or all, into the price and some do not.

You should not pay more than about 9 cents (including tdsp charges) for a 12 month fixed price contract right now. Go to powertochoose.org and do some shopping. If you have a couple that you want to compare appples to apples then look at their EFLs.

[jyro]

I have gas heating (propane)

But I am sure a lot of you can and will hit the 2000 kwh range.

My biggest energy hog is the electric drier, refrigerator , freezer and all the parisitic transformers and tv's that draw when off. At least when I'm not in my shop with the welder and lights on that's about it. My largest kw hits in July and it's around 1850.

Chili, the botom line question is, do you pay about the same as me or can I get a locked in 12 month plan for less than I pay now. In my area, is the delivery charge the same for all the different providers, or do all providers cut different delivery fee contracts from TXU even for the same areas. Looking at all the different plans, it appears that all the delivery fees are different even within the same service area from different providers.

[SSMAN]

The kicker to those rates is, they are based on 2000 kwh usages. I am at 7.5 cents, but that is based on 2000 kwh. Most of the time that puts me at different tier of around 8.4 cents at 1000 kph. But I am sure a lot of you can and will hit the 2000 kwh range.

[Chili]

My last invoice was for right at 1200 kWh as well, and the TDSP charges were about $44 as well. Here is the breakdown of mine:

Amount Description
$0.78 Customer Charge - Basic Customer Charge
$2.28 Metering Charge - Delivery Point Charge
$22.34 Distribution System Charge - Distribution Charge
$0.79 System Benefit Fund (SBF)
$0.20 Nuclear Decommissioning (NDF)
$0.73 Distribution System Charge
$1.09 Transition Charge (TC2)
$2.19 Advanced Metering Cost Recovery Factor
$1.23 Energy Efficiency Cost Recovery Factor (EECRF)
$0.04 Rate Case Expense Surcharge 2
$12.68 Transmission Cost Recovery Factor

[Chili]

When all the companies advertise rates, are the delivery charges included in the advertised price? in the article I linked, some are on the bill and some not. I realize there is no set format for billing but when they advertise the rates you would think it's more than just deceptive to not include the delivery charges in the rates someone is baseing their decision on.

here is my last bill, I average pay.

Sometimes they are, sometimes they are not.

You have to look at the Electricity Facts Label (EFL) to know for sure, which is how you are able to compare apples to apples. Similar to the Good Faith Estimate when you are mortgage shopping.

When you look at Powertochoose.org, they should always provide links to the EFL for comparison purposes.

Looking at your invoice, it appears yours are billing seperately. That $44 is about in line with what I would expect for TDSP charges from Oncor, based on your usage.

[jyro]

Rates

When all the companies advertise rates, are the delivery charges included in the advertised price? in the article I linked, some are on the bill and some not. I realize there is no set format for billing but when they advertise the rates you would think it's more than just deceptive to not include the delivery charges in the rates someone is baseing their decision on.

here is my last bill, I average pay.

[Chili]

I linked A good article about Texas electric rates and it shows not everyone pays the delivery charges.
TDU charges are delivery fees and when your talking the rate you pay, it should be included but it has to be added to the total bill and divided by your KW used for the period. it's a hidden charge added to your rate you are billed for and in some plans, there seems to be no delivery charge at all. my delivery charge is .036 per KW, my TXU rate is .0985 per kw. with the delivery charge, my real rate is .1345 per kw. Look at your delivery fees, it's marked DTU on your bill.

http://insideautomotive.com/document...daysPrices.pdf

Just to clarify. Everyone pays those charges, only it is not always separated from the price you pay. Most residential carriers build it into the price although they may still charge a nominal amount as well.

TDSP Pass through charges is basically how Oncor is paid. But they bill your electricity provider.

[jyro]

I linked A good article about Texas electric rates and it shows not everyone pays the delivery charges.
TDU charges are delivery fees and when your talking the rate you pay, it should be included but it has to be added to the total bill and divided by your KW used for the period. it's a hidden charge added to your rate you are billed for and in some plans, there seems to be no delivery charge at all. my delivery charge is .036 per KW, my TXU rate is .0985 per kw. with the delivery charge, my real rate is .139 per kw. Look at your delivery fees, it's marked DTU on your bill.

http://insideautomotive.com/document...daysPrices.pdf

[krazy kris]

We got infinite energy have yet to recieve our first bill but we locked it in at 6 cents per kwh

Switched from Reliant to Green Mountain when I bought the house. My first full months bill was $38.06.

[dewayne6243]

Free. I have 2 wind generators.



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[Leah]

We paid 3.4 last month IIRC.

[mardyn]

I'm still with Reliant at my Mom's home and Amigo Energy at my house. Both are about 8.9ish depending on use. (Amigo drops to 7.9 for over 1000 kwh)

mardyn

[Roscoe]

I don't know, my wife takes care of that shit.... All I know is my bills are far lower than my previously owned house, so I don't give a shit...