These iceholes have violated others fargen rights!

[Ratt]

I'll be fine with allowing gay marriage when they allow prayer & Christ back in schools aside evolution.

That's a stupid argument.

[Treasure Chest]

So freedom of choice is cool as long as freedom of religion is trampled upon? Or, did you mean Christianity AND all other religions should be brought into schools?

As it stands now, students can pray in school. There can be Christian organizations in schools. They still do See You at the Pole. Teachers are allowed to pray. Schools are still allowed to offer bible classes as electives. The only thing not allowed is for a teacher to lead the entire class in prayer, and they don't teach creationism in science class.
They even have student lead prayer before football games around here.

So whose rights are being trampled?

[Tx Redneck]

That's a petty, hypocritical article dude, and the fact that you couldn't elucidate that guy's points beyond agreeing with them points to them never having occurred to you in the first place, beyond you not liking gay marriage for your own personal and religious reasons.

What's hypocritical? As I stated, I didn't want to post in this thread, however I chose to post the article because it pretty much stated my view of this whole issue.

I will not engage you further because it's not a fruitful conversation or debate. I have made my stance very clear in the past and see no need to repeat myself.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

[YALE]

What's hypocritical? As I stated, I didn't want to post in this thread, however I chose to post the article because it pretty much stated my view of this whole issue.

I will not engage you further because it's not a fruitful conversation or debate. I have made my stance very clear in the past and see no need to repeat myself.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

Come on dude. You're smarter than this. Who was stopping straight couples from getting married before any defense of marriage acts passed? Can you tell me that? What do straight marriages need defense from? The separate but equal line of logic was an injustice in the Jim Crow days. Why would it not be one now?

[Treasure Chest]

What's hypocritical? As I stated, I didn't want to post in this thread, however I chose to post the article because it pretty much stated my view of this whole issue.

I will not engage you further because it's not a fruitful conversation or debate. I have made my stance very clear in the past and see no need to repeat myself.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

The article's only defined basis is that marriage is an institution for procreation and to legitimize the children. Both are ridiculous stances, and as stated before, it's not going to keep same sex partners from rearing children.

[racrguy]

It is a comment meant specifically for racrguy concerning something he said in the past about me.

Refresh my memory. I say a lot of things, most of which I don't remember.

Maybe he put it in the Back Porch as a pun?

Oh and racrguy I can't stop laughing at "justice of the piece" in #18. For some reason it has me thinking of Judge Dredd.

FML, I should proofread more/better.

I really didn't want to post in this thread, but this article articulated my thoughts better than I could have.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299394/north-carolina-biden-and-same-sex-marriage-ryan-t-anderson#

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

woooow. Really dude? I agree with what Yale said, but I'm going to take it one step farther. Let's make a hypothetical situation where I was the state government. I now no longer recognize heterosexual marriages. Your wife must supply her own health insurance and for your children. Neither you nor your wife can be allowed automatically to make medical decisions for the other in case of emergency, or visit in the hospital without prior consent. Need I go on?

[Forever_frost]

Separation of Church and state.

Perhaps you can point out where I can find this in any of our founding documents.


And like it or not, the states have the power to do this. It's within their constitutional authority, done properly and legally by a legislature voted into office. They passed the necessary hurdle to make it a constitutional amendment so they are completely justified in doing it.

Trying to compare this (an action that you choose to engage in) to segregation and racism (can't choose your race and two people of opposite races but opposite sexes is still within the natural order of things) is pretty much a fallacious comparison. And, if you don't like it, you are free to leave the state to another that you agree with. That's the thing about a Republic. You dont' like how one state is run? Go to another.

[Hobie]

The home to NASCAR is also full of bigots, real shocker there, lol.

[Forever_frost]

Refresh my memory. I say a lot of things, most of which I don't remember.

FML, I should proofread more/better.


woooow. Really dude? I agree with what Yale said, but I'm going to take it one step farther. Let's make a hypothetical situation where I was the state government. I now no longer recognize heterosexual marriages. Your wife must supply her own health insurance and for your children. Neither you nor your wife can be allowed automatically to make medical decisions for the other in case of emergency, or visit in the hospital without prior consent. Need I go on?

If you were a state government that had the votes to do it, you would be within your power.

[Hobie]

America - where people think being fat is genetic and being homosexual is a choice. We're so fucked.

[Hobie]

[racrguy]

Perhaps you can point out where I can find this in any of our founding documents.


And like it or not, the states have the power to do this. It's within their constitutional authority, done properly and legally by a legislature voted into office. They passed the necessary hurdle to make it a constitutional amendment so they are completely justified in doing it.

Trying to compare this (an action that you choose to engage in) to segregation and racism (can't choose your race and two people of opposite races but opposite sexes is still within the natural order of things) is pretty much a fallacious comparison. And, if you don't like it, you are free to leave the state to another that you agree with. That's the thing about a Republic. You dont' like how one state is run? Go to another.

You aren't as Constitutionally aware as you think you are. You need to do more research.

[jluv]

Did you mean to quote me?

No, kwclutch. My bad.

[Hobie]

I'll be fine with allowing gay marriage when they allow prayer & Christ back in schools aside evolution.

Why do people keep spreading this misinformation?

[jluv]

The article's only defined basis is that marriage is an institution for procreation and to legitimize the children. Both are ridiculous stances, and as stated before, it's not going to keep same sex partners from rearing children.

I quoted the wrong person. I don't have a problem with kids praying to Jesus in school, as long as it doesn't affect their learning of math, English, science, history, etc. I also don't have a problem with kids praying to Allah, Satan, or the Jolly Green Giant either, assuming they aren't forcing it on ithers or distracting anyone. Then again, it probably would be distracting, so why not just leave ALL of that shit at home? The idea that only Christ should be allowed in public school is absurd, IMO.