Naked unarmed college student murdered by police

[Mike]

Yes.

15 days to be exact, but whos counting...

Maybe this will be the return of mutherjuggz

[Hobie]

Any toxicology info get posted yet? I'm waiting for the results to be alcohol only, possibly with a hint of weed.

[Rick Modena]

Is this the thread that finally caused 03Trublu to snap?

Yes.

It's been more than even "about" nine days.

15 days to be exact, but whos counting...

It's been more than even "about" nine days.

[Mike]

Is this the thread that finally caused 03Trublu to snap?

[ThreeFingerPete]

I think the comparison could very well be in line, we don't know enough details to even be able to draw a solid analogy at this point.

Where does it say that you have to actually be assulted to justify deadly force? It doesn't, you have to be in fear of your life or grave bodily harm. Without knowing what the guy was on, and with the people/dog eating stories of late, if I'm getting charged by a guy that is aware that I've drawn down on him, I am going to assume the worst, and shoot him.

Also, you saying that he shouldn't have had his weapon drawn is pure opinion based on the limited facts that have been presented. If there is a percieved threat, I have no issue with taking any precautions available.

Even you yourself said that the civilian would probably go to jail, not certainly, because you know that there are cases where it could be ruled justifiable.

People are making way too many assumptions that, in some cases, are being clouded even futher by their FTP attitude. My point was to try and pull the LEO aspect out of it, to show that this could possibly be justifiable, regardless of the shooters chosen profession.

You can't remove the shooter's chosen profession out of it when the shooter's profession requires them to diffuse situations instead of escalating them if at all possible.

I said probably, because I didn't want to go to the length of identifying 1000 variables on my phone. An able bodied armed dude shoots an unarmed dude who had not committed or was not in the middle of committing a violent crime, in public, is going to jail.

[Forever_frost]

You're completely glazing over the fact that he purprotedly didn't have time to holster his weapon, and draw another means of force.

In that situation he was completely justified in going out there with gun drawn, I would have to see the video to come to any conclusion on it being a justifiable homicide or not. IMO any man crazy enough to be naked, banging on windows, and willing to charge a person with a gun IS a threat.

Take off your FTP hat for a minute, and assume that this is a business-owner opening his door to investigate with a .45 in his hand, and pepper spray in his back pocket. Would you be so quick to cry out murder, and immediately assume that he should have sprayed the guy instead?

With what has been posted, I am open to this swaying one way or the other, we simply don't have enough facts to form the strong opinions going on in here.

My FTP hat is off. Difference is, a homeowner has no authority to detain and no obligation to protect life. He's also not paid to do either. He is defending his property with authority that extends only as far as his property line and he likely will be brought in and spend at least the night in jail while they decide if he was justified in shooting an unarmed man.

He shouldn't have left the station with his pistol in his hand. He had 2 other tools to use and training to use both.

[Big A]

If a civilian shoots an unarmed person who has not assaulted them while on public property, he is probably going to jail. Re word it however you like, your comparison sucks. He shouldn't have had the weapon drawn in the first place.

I think the comparison could very well be in line, we don't know enough details to even be able to draw a solid analogy at this point.

Where does it say that you have to actually be assulted to justify deadly force? It doesn't, you have to be in fear of your life or grave bodily harm. Without knowing what the guy was on, and with the people/dog eating stories of late, if I'm getting charged by a guy that is aware that I've drawn down on him, I am going to assume the worst, and shoot him.

Also, you saying that he shouldn't have had his weapon drawn is pure opinion based on the limited facts that have been presented. If there is a percieved threat, I have no issue with taking any precautions available.

Even you yourself said that the civilian would probably go to jail, not certainly, because you know that there are cases where it could be ruled justifiable.

People are making way too many assumptions that, in some cases, are being clouded even futher by their FTP attitude. My point was to try and pull the LEO aspect out of it, to show that this could possibly be justifiable, regardless of the shooters chosen profession.

[Buick355]

I can back up that statement with precedent. I didn't say Aaron was stupid, nor on drugs. I said his comparison sucks, much like jewozzy's too much apples: oranges.

I'm not just talking about your response to Aaron.

I respect everyone's opinion, including yours, even when I don't agree. I can see why there would be some people that would say he shouldn't have used deadly force so quickly, and I understand why they would think that. I just don't see it that way.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I like how any opinion that's not in line with yours sucks and how you call anyone who doesn't agree with you stupid, then accuse them of being on drugs.

I can back up that statement with precedent. I didn't say Aaron was stupid, nor on drugs. I said his comparison sucks, much like jewozzy's too much apples: oranges.

[Buick355]

If a civilian shoots an unarmed person who has not assaulted them while on public property, he is probably going to jail. Re word it however you like, your comparison sucks. He shouldn't have had the weapon drawn in the first place.

I like how any opinion that's not in line with yours sucks and how you call anyone who doesn't agree with you stupid, then accuse them of being on drugs.

[ThreeFingerPete]

You're completely glazing over the fact that he purprotedly didn't have time to holster his weapon, and draw another means of force.

In that situation he was completely justified in going out there with gun drawn, I would have to see the video to come to any conclusion on it being a justifiable homicide or not. IMO any man crazy enough to be naked, banging on windows, and willing to charge a person with a gun IS a threat.

Take off your FTP hat for a minute, and assume that this is a business-owner opening his door to investigate with a .45 in his hand, and pepper spray in his back pocket. Would you be so quick to cry out murder, and immediately assume that he should have sprayed the guy instead?

With what has been posted, I am open to this swaying one way or the other, we simply don't have enough facts to form the strong opinions going on in here.

If a civilian shoots an unarmed person who has not assaulted them while on public property, he is probably going to jail. Re word it however you like, your comparison sucks. He shouldn't have had the weapon drawn in the first place.

[347Mike]

The video needs to be posted like Aaron said to draw an accurate conclusion.

The articles are too open for assumptions. The first article says he BANGED on A window. It never mentions the cop looking through the window and seeing him. If you hear a bang on a window or door in the early mornings of a police station what are your first thoughts? Is it some wack job or maybe someone needs help?

The second article says he got no closer than 4-5 feet. Do any of you know how far he was away when he went outside to look? Maybe he was 12 feet away when he started charging before being shot at 4-5 feet?

Too many assumptions and just enough arm chair quarterbacks.

[Big A]

So wait, where was everyone talking about this guy had no other weapons but his pistol?

You're completely glazing over the fact that he purprotedly didn't have time to holster his weapon, and draw another means of force.

In that situation he was completely justified in going out there with gun drawn, I would have to see the video to come to any conclusion on it being a justifiable homicide or not. IMO any man crazy enough to be naked, banging on windows, and willing to charge a person with a gun IS a threat.

Take off your FTP hat for a minute, and assume that this is a business-owner opening his door to investigate with a .45 in his hand, and pepper spray in his back pocket. Would you be so quick to cry out murder, and immediately assume that he should have sprayed the guy instead?

With what has been posted, I am open to this swaying one way or the other, we simply don't have enough facts to form the strong opinions going on in here.

[Forever_frost]

So wait, where was everyone talking about this guy had no other weapons but his pistol?