Farewell America

[95ragtop]

There is no fixing it. No changing it for the better. It is fucked. It is only going to get worse, exponentially. The failures/takers now outnumber the successful/givers. The US is going the way of Rome, and soon will have the same fate. And there isn't a single fucking thing that ANYONE can do about it.

Our forefathers left Europe to get away from oppressive governments, they didn't stay there and try to fix it like everyone is blabbering about, they were smart enough to know to get the fuck out and go somewhere else and start over. The fucked up thing is now there is NOWHERE to go to start over, all you can do is hope to find a place less fucked up than the one you are leaving.

So our forefathers just showed up and America was already formed? Sorry but they came here under the same oppressive monarchy that they left. And it grinds my gears that people don't want to fight for something that was so hard to accomplish. Fuck it, the grass is always greener.

[red89notch]

Like, there's a guy in a rowboat going X miles, and the current is going like, you know, some other miles, and how long does it take him to get to town? It's like, 'Who cares? Who wants to go to town with a guy who drives a rowboat?

I dont know what is worse. The fact that you quoted that or the fact I actually know where its from.

[LANTIRN]

I don't know you Alex, but you seem like a whinny, spoiled, little bitch-ass of a kid, crying because shit isn't going your way. Combine this with your apparent love for guns and all things military (you post a lot of pics concerning military history), and I just don't get it. Apparently your dad is a successful businessman, and congrats to him, but you just seem like a spoiled brat right now.

I served 6 years in the military and have lived in other countries, both during and after my service was completed. My wife is from another country, and the two of us have seen how fucked up the rest of the world is. Hell, we met while living in Saudi Arabia, which is about as fucked up as you can get.

My point is, America has it's problems right now. Problems to the point they might not be reversible without violence, but at the end of the day a true patriot does not back away from that. Glenn Beck said it best; "if we loose freedom here, there is nowhere else to go". Moving only worked on the founders because America was mostly uninhabited. The only place like that now is Antarctica, and that is because a nation could not exist there.

Australia is a liberal shithole, albeit a beautiful place from what I hear. All their flaws have been listed already, but how in the hell can you say you are fed up with America, then move to a less-free place? I just don't get it. Now, I have lived in less-free places, but it was for the experience, and never intended as a permanent arrangement. At most, if things got really bad I would send my wife and son back to her home until things settled down while I stayed here to help sort things out to the best of my ability. This is what a man and a patriot does, but this is not what you have apparently chosen.

Your parents are right to not be happy with your choice, but like good hard working Americans they sound like they will let you do just that, because that is what freedom is. Freedom; something I don't think you understand.

I guess what I am saying is I agree with pretty much everything Chili said. Now is not the time to run. Now is the time to do what we can to fix the problem. Running away doesn't solve anything.

Good luck in whatever you decide, but I don't have respect for you or your decision. Probably better off this way, though, because we don't need your shitty attitude getting in our way when we figure out a way to solve the problems we face.

[Pooter]

I wouldn't mind going out of the country to get a change of scenery for a little bit, but not for political reasons.

Id love to go to Switzerland, but doesn't look like it would be an easy transition, and getting citizenship looks pretty tough too, 12 years, lol.

Foreigners with no direct blood ties to Switzerland through either birth or marriage must live in the country for at least 12 years before they can apply for citizenship. (Years spent in the country between age ten and 20 count double). The person must be well integrated, familiar with customs and traditions, law abiding, and pose no threat to internal or external security.

Australia really is a cool place too, dont know if id go as far as to renounce my citizenship to go there because I didnt like a new president. There have been plenty of shitty ones for all the great ones. The rest of the country is more in danger due to the youth of today and the all out height of laziness everyone has adopted in EVERYTHING they do.

[The King]

They should consider investing in Greek drachmas or Iranian rials, both sound currencies that give a glimpse of where the dollar is heading.

[SMKR]

What's going to crush America IMO, is our dollar will become worthless because we're printing money like it's going out of style. Once that happens, and the world stops trading in US dollars, we're screwed.

I know Canada isn't perfect, but at least my money there won't become worthless. And our personal opinion is that it's a better place to raise our kids, based on family values.

The Chinese are already looking for another currency to invest in instead of the dollar.

[90GT50]

No offense, Alex, but it seems more like you're making this thread for attention. If you just wanted to go there, then go. I don't see a point of telling anyone on here about it. Tell the people you know, then go. Fuck it.

I wouldn't mind going out of the country to get a change of scenery for a little bit, but not for political reasons.

[Forever_frost]

Dear Blue states,
Please let us know how you're going to fund California and the public unions without us.

Sincerely,
Red states

[Baron Von Crowder]

Saw this on Reddit right before coming here and seeing this thread

I'm pretty much OK with all that. I am pro gun, but that isn't a deal breaker.

[lincolnboy]

and going to http://mustangcanada.com/forums/forum.php

[Chas_svo]

Dear blue states. You are full of shit, and can't think past the end of your noses. We Red states will enjoy eating in the future, and will cull the herd as you try to leave you starving, wasteland cities.

Enjoy your cesspool, you stupid fucks.



Red States

[Jimbo]

My view is get the fuck far away from people as I can. I would move to Alaska if it wasnt so damn cold up there. Learn to farm & grow my own food & hunt my own food & live off the land. Get a fresh well dug & be near a good water source like a constant river or big creek. Have plenty of guns & Bullets & start train how to use Bows & Arrows

Lol, you just described my daydreaming content. My eventual plan is to own a large piece of land that can allow me to be nearly self sufficient if necessary.

I'll admit I had to look up compulsory voting. Now that is some weird shit. I'd imagine a foreigner wouldn't have to worry about it. About a year ago I looked seriously into renouncing citizenship, but not adopting a new country. It makes it nearly impossible to travel.

[Forever_frost]

My wife is a Kiwi and I considered doing the same but I've got too much in me to stay and fight. Things get bad enough, I'm betting Texas will form it's own country and then I opt out anyway

[Jimbo]

We've wanted to go to Australia and New Zealand for years, but could never take off the month or so we would need to really cover it all. I understand it's VERY appealing with all the gorgeous coasts' and terrain. I also heard there's a lot more of it that's desolate wasteland.

Australia has always been my dream destination, the majority of the land is uninhabited and some is uninhabitable. There is far too much to even begin to mention, but researching the natural wonders of that continent makes for a great read when you have time.