well that does it....

[BradM]

Steve, I have some holey underwear you can take with you.

[bcoop]

And don't get seminary arrogant.

Have you not paid attent.... Ah, screw it, I'll leave it alone.

[blownragtop]

Yup, they do tours I've heard. It was used as a hoosegow when alcohol was illegal, hence the tunnels.

For people that might be interested in this bit of Arlington history here's a good link...

Top O' Hill Terrace

[Sean88gt]

Wow...never saw you as a preacher, Steve. I'll give you this piece of knowledge: never try to convert someone, it will only push them away.

And don't get seminary arrogant.

If someone hasn't said it already, know that the associates degree isn't worth shit. Consider it to be as valuable as a high school diploma. Its just that you have to have it to get to the degree that is actually worth having, the bachelors. Just saying this cause you implied that you may stop at the associates. Bad idea. If that's your plan, you'd just as well quit now.

[Kimmypie]

Can you get a doctorate in churcherie?

My brother has a masters in it!

[BradM]

I'm not sure that it makes a hill of beans if it is an associates or BS , when it is in seminary.

Can you get a doctorate in churcherie?

[Baron Von Crowder]

If someone hasn't said it already, know that the associates degree isn't worth shit. Consider it to be as valuable as a high school diploma. Its just that you have to have it to get to the degree that is actually worth having, the bachelors. Just saying this cause you implied that you may stop at the associates. Bad idea. If that's your plan, you'd just as well quit now.

I'm not sure that it makes a hill of beans if it is an associates or BS , when it is in seminary.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

yeah, with the money invested i feel the need to do this till i at least get an associates and possibly a bachelors degree

If someone hasn't said it already, know that the associates degree isn't worth shit. Consider it to be as valuable as a high school diploma. Its just that you have to have it to get to the degree that is actually worth having, the bachelors. Just saying this cause you implied that you may stop at the associates. Bad idea. If that's your plan, you'd just as well quit now.

[David]

I will say I feel very fortunate that my parents have provided me school tuition and law school. Without them I'd be no where.

I don't know how people can survive coming out of school with all the debt.

[Kimmypie]

Tip for college (at least a regular one, not sure about a religious college)...sit up front, let the prof know you care, ask questions, take copious notes & you will generally pull a good grade. I managed really good grades in classes I sucked ass at doing this.

[The King]

although i am very excited about doing serious learning about the bible and being about to use it properly, i think my testimony from my past mistakes will make up a good part of my message as well. kind of a don't make the mistakes i did and why thing instead of the squeaky clean approach that a lot of pastors take these days.

Sounds good, and parallels the manner in which many individuals in the Bible found themselves called by God.

[Big A]

ya know , that's something ive been struggling with. i mean i still talk to the same people and go out and do stuff, i just don't drink and im trying to keep certain words outta my mouth now, but im still the same old fool ive always been, only difference is i want to educate myself and THEN become something different. But i cant just sign up for some classes and start calling myself a Christian and all of a sudden im gunna try to save you guys, and i never will, jesus and your relationship with him whether it exists or not determines that role, at best all i am is a lesson of what not to do and can advice to those pulling themselves up from rock bottom. though i am named after Stephen in bible i look at Paul's example and transformation more that i do anybody. if i can help just one person in my life turn theirs around then its all worth it.


off soapbox

I understand where you're coming from with wanting the knowledge first, but thios brings to mind one of my favorite sayings, which rings true in this case as well.

"You cannot think your way into better living, you must live your way into better thinking,"

[Big A]

i was considering that as well, the only thing is i stopped drinking without the 12step program and ive heard that they embrace it.

That shouldn't be a concern, 12-stepping's foundation is a belief in a higher power, and allowing God to do for you what you couldn't do for yourself. It is specifically stated as a higher power, and "God as you understand him" to include all faiths, and as importantly, to include those that don't currently have a God.

The 12-step program is not about alcohol really, when you boil it down, it's about learning how to live a better life, and how to deal with everyday situations in a positive way as not to drive someone to drink. Alcohols is viewed not as the problem, but as a symptom of living a self-centered and spiritually empty life.

[Damnittsteve]

thanks eric

This is a little different than your story, but I took some time off between college and law school. My GPA in college wasn't great so I was scared too. Maybe it was the time I took off or maturity, but I took law school seriously and worked really hard all the way through. In the end, I graduated in the top 10 people in my class and scored very high on the Bar exam. Just like many things in life, good results usually come from hard work and determination. I applaud you for going back to school, especially to seminary. Best of luck!

that's what im looking for, im hoping I didn't drink myself stewpied in the last 15 years but we will have to see.