Hey Choo Choo guys

[Shorty]

But how many miles to a tank does it get?

[Hmbre97]

If you're dividing the load by the fuel then wouldn't you get gallon per ton instead of miles per gallon? Are they purposely being misleading?

That is exactly what they are reporting, gallons per ton-mile. So using the 450 miles example, they are stating that the train uses .0023 gallons of fuel to move each ton of freight 1 mile.

For example, if a train weighs 20,000 tons total and it can move each ton per mile with .0023 gallons of fuel, then 20,000 x .0023 = 46 gallons per mile. This is the MPG of the train in total.

[01vnms4v]

Diesel/Electric = win

[sig239]

Now THAT is an answer. I thought they were super fuel efficient. That's what the commercials say.

Found it: Trains can move a ton of freight nearly 450 miles on a single gallon of fuel.

http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/about-csx/projects-and-partnerships/fuel-efficiency/

So, since it's not under the load of moving the train, shouldn't you be able to run that generator forever on a gas can? I mean 450 miles on a gallon? It's not doing 450 miles an hour so even at 60 you're looking at 7.5 hours on 1 gallon of fuel. Sounds like it'd be more efficient than anything we have running

Sounds like some obama math to me, My 15 liter burns about one gallon a hour at idle.
They also use nasty dirty high sulfur fuel also.

[Forever_frost]

Also a good point Chas. Trains would run on time and never strike.

[Chas_svo]

I'm fairly certain a computer could do a better job than you.

They are remotely piloted all over, and all the safety checks are in the system, not the human.

Think if those computers took a shit out on the main line, then you have a dead train on a main line holding up other trains. That deliver goods to many of the places you shop. Or they go nuts and blow through signals causing a huge derail with hazmat chemicals all over the place.

Kinda like a strike, just infinitely less likely?

[Forever_frost]

So does that mean allow for engine weight? Still not getting it. If they say they get 450 miles on 1 gallon, how is it different than 450 miles per gallon? I'm willing to say I may not be bright enough to get this one. but I'm looking to be educated.

If you're dividing the load by the fuel then wouldn't you get gallon per ton instead of miles per gallon? Are they purposely being misleading?

[turboskull1]

You're not getting it. They say it can move 1 ton of freight 450 miles on a gallon. Not that the train gets 450 mpg. All they're doing is dividing the total load of the train vs fuel used.

Exactly

[turboskull1]

I get that. But they said 450 miles on 1 gallon. Even moving zero freight that's still 450 miles. Averaging 60 mph that's 7.5 hours on one gallon. So that train should be able to run AT LEAST 7.5 hours on one gallon of diesel right?

You are looking at it like miles traveled per gallon of fuel used, when in actuality it is based upon the amount of gross tonnage moved per mile per gallon of fuel used.

[Hmbre97]

I get that. But they said 450 miles on 1 gallon. Even moving zero freight that's still 450 miles. Averaging 60 mph that's 7.5 hours on one gallon. So that train should be able to run AT LEAST 7.5 hours on one gallon of diesel right?

You're not getting it. They say it can move 1 ton of freight 450 miles on a gallon. Not that the train gets 450 mpg. All they're doing is dividing the total load of the train vs fuel used.

[Forever_frost]

I get that. But they said 450 miles on 1 gallon. Even moving zero freight that's still 450 miles. Averaging 60 mph that's 7.5 hours on one gallon. So that train should be able to run AT LEAST 7.5 hours on one gallon of diesel right?

[turboskull1]

Now THAT is an answer. I thought they were super fuel efficient. That's what the commercials say.

Found it: Trains can move a ton of freight nearly 450 miles on a single gallon of fuel.

http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/about-csx/projects-and-partnerships/fuel-efficiency/

So, since it's not under the load of moving the train, shouldn't you be able to run that generator forever on a gas can? I mean 450 miles on a gallon? It's not doing 450 miles an hour so even at 60 you're looking at 7.5 hours on 1 gallon of fuel. Sounds like it'd be more efficient than anything we have running

You've got to think about the physics of it, once in motion an object tends to stay in motion right? So once you get 20k tons of freight rolling, especially on a surface with a low amount of friction its going to want to keep moving, most of your horsepower or tractive effort will be used to start out, or for pulling hills, this is why you never see big variations in grade in track, less horsepower required equals less fuel usage. Power generation for the grid on the other hand requires a constant set output, with the genset operating within a specific load paremeter for the entire run time duration.

[Forever_frost]

Now THAT is an answer. I thought they were super fuel efficient. That's what the commercials say.

Found it: Trains can move a ton of freight nearly 450 miles on a single gallon of fuel.

http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/about-csx/projects-and-partnerships/fuel-efficiency/

So, since it's not under the load of moving the train, shouldn't you be able to run that generator forever on a gas can? I mean 450 miles on a gallon? It's not doing 450 miles an hour so even at 60 you're looking at 7.5 hours on 1 gallon of fuel. Sounds like it'd be more efficient than anything we have running

[turboskull1]

4500 horsepower or 3.35 megawatts in load test, the total genset output capability is substantially more than that, the limiting factors are the traction motors and overall reliability. Locomotives can be hooked into the grid, but obviously there's much more efficient means of producing electricity.

[bcoop]

YOu're not providing evidence your job cannot be done by a computer at a fraction of the cost with more efficiency. And weren't you supposed to post up a paycheck for some reason and post up your benefits in relation to mine and explain how yours are better than my non union ones? You disappear it seems, when you can't either brag about your money or your union

And less mistakes...


He's never going to respond on the check stub. He figured out that he was going to lose. That, or his wife won't let him.