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[racrguy]

You and me would agree with a lot more then you think on that subject.

To the second part of that REALLLY! Cmon have you read any news lately? I would bet less then 50 percent of this country has any clue about personal responsibility.

I agree with you that there isn't a majority that are "for" personal responsibility, but when you say things like:

Like I said I could care less about another law as long as the cell phone companies address the issue.

That is explicitly removing a persons responsibility for their actions.

[kingjason]

It's not just texting and driving, I used that as an analogy. It's the mindset of removing someone's liberties to prevent an action that's ALREADY ILLEGAL.


Why is it the cell phone company's responsibility to regulate when/where/how a person uses their mobile device? When did personal responsibility disappear?

You and me would agree with a lot more then you think on that subject.

To the second part of that REALLLY! Cmon have you read any news lately? I would bet less then 50 percent of this country has any clue about personal responsibility.

[racrguy]

Damn you racer you deleted what I meant to quote. I think you are trying to make me look crazy.

Slow down there turbo. Some people are a tad more radical than others and will never be swayed. There are always two sides to every argument and if we had all the answers we wouldn't even be talking about it. Apparently there are lots of laws on the books that a lot of people don't agree with. Apparently the people that were elected by a majority do not agree with you in some cases. I realize that the system does not always go with popular opinion but you have to work with what you got sometimes. I do not have all the answers and that is a fact.

I posted that shortly before you responded, so I went ahead and deleted it since you replied.

Do I need to help make you look crazy?

[kingjason]

Damn you racer you deleted what I meant to quote. I think you are trying to make me look crazy.

Slow down there turbo. Some people are a tad more radical than others and will never be swayed. There are always two sides to every argument and if we had all the answers we wouldn't even be talking about it. Apparently there are lots of laws on the books that a lot of people don't agree with. Apparently the people that were elected by a majority do not agree with you in some cases. I realize that the system does not always go with popular opinion but you have to work with what you got sometimes. I do not have all the answers and that is a fact.

[racrguy]

Because I have the right to walk or ride my bike down the street without being killed by a dumbass texting.

You are absolutely right. That's why it's already illegal to hit someone on the sidewalk.

So if we can only enforce after you kill someone that is a little late in my book.

Well hell, since we're just going to legislate things preemptively let's just ban drinking, driving, anything involving guns, or anything else that you can get killed via someone's lack of control of what they're doing.

A slap on the wrist is better then anyone's life in my book.

I agree, that's why we should leave people the fuck alone until they start dicking with someone else's freedoms and hammer them like a nail.

I really can not believe people argue about texting and driving.

It's not just texting and driving, I used that as an analogy. It's the mindset of removing someone's liberties to prevent an action that's ALREADY ILLEGAL.

Like I said I could care less about another law as long as the cell phone companies address the issue.

Why is it the cell phone company's responsibility to regulate when/where/how a person uses their mobile device? When did personal responsibility disappear?

[Jester]

good to go

[crapstang]

sarcasm?

[kingjason]

Who are you to tell these people they can't go from riches to rags, or gorgeous to horrendous, and why does it need to be a felony?

"The government can't tell you what to do, but the cell phone companies sure can!"

Yes they are.

It's already illegal to accidentally kill someone due to a lack of control on your part. They call that manslaughter.


DWI is also horseshit. The problems you're complaining about are already illegal. Not stopping at red lights, not maintaining your lane, a general lack of controlling your vehicle.

You have yet to justify why we need these additional laws when the problems are already illegal. If you are under the influence of something and are able to maintain control of yourself and your vehicle, where's the problem?

Because I have the right to walk or ride my bike down the street without being killed by a dumbass texting. So if we can only enforce after you kill someone that is a little late in my book. A slap on the wrist is better then anyone's life in my book. I really can not believe people argue about texting and driving. Like I said I could care less about another law as long as the cell phone companies address the issue.

[kingjason]

Playing the other side, is what we're doing now working? You put them in jail, they get back out rinse/repeat. Our justice and prison systems are complete crap.

I really do hate to say this, but maybe those folks OD'ing and getting dead other ways will cleanse the gene pool a little bit. Prison in not rehab in any way shape or form. I think a very strong argument that between the war on drugs and all these prisoners being in jail for drugs - it's a decent drain on the tax system.

Then again, you're probably going to arrest those same people for something else anyway. DUI, assault, robbery...whatever. At least the tax money from their poison will be helping or in general tax money from that will help.

Yeah the repeat rate is pretty high and I do not have the answer for that. I wonder if that is more because we cater to the criminals in jail or what. I am all about second chances and people making mistakes. Hell I think after say five to ten years if you act right that shit should drop off your record except maybe homicide or rape. However if you keep doing again and again then you should be locked the fuck up and not in a nice way.

[redfiveohconv]

i totally forgot what i was going to type after i hit this bong

[ceyko]

Trying to contain some of the chaos sir, just a little. I would highly doubt their are any productive well adjusted crack heads out there.

Playing the other side, is what we're doing now working? You put them in jail, they get back out rinse/repeat. Our justice and prison systems are complete crap.

I really do hate to say this, but maybe those folks OD'ing and getting dead other ways will cleanse the gene pool a little bit. Prison in not rehab in any way shape or form. I think a very strong argument that between the war on drugs and all these prisoners being in jail for drugs - it's a decent drain on the tax system.

Then again, you're probably going to arrest those same people for something else anyway. DUI, assault, robbery...whatever. At least the tax money from their poison will be helping or in general tax money from that will help.

Trying to contain some of the chaos sir, just a little. I would highly doubt their are any productive well adjusted crack heads out there.

No argument with that at all.

[kingjason]

What you've seen is all of the negative shit, because it is your job to deal with people who can't handle their lives(drugs or no drugs). What you don't deal with is all the other people who have completely normal days, go home and behind closed doors do whatever the hell they want, then get up the next day and go to work like clockwork. Legalize everything. Let darwinism do it's fucking job.

Trying to contain some of the chaos sir, just a little. I would highly doubt their are any productive well adjusted crack heads out there.

I would like to think the word felony is just enough of a deterrent to keep people away from experimenting with the harder stuff. That stuff is highly addictive and fucks people up. I have seen very well off people go from riches to homeless and then dead because of that shit. I have seen lots of pretty young girls end up strung out and turning tricks at hotels because of it. You really want to legalize that?

As far as texting in cars goes I don't think we need new laws for that I think cell phone companies should disable it at over say 3 mph or whatever the average speed someone can walk is. Texting restrictions are not about taking your freedom away, they are about you not killing someone else to send a useless message to your BFF. I guarantee you if the truth be known a hell of a lot more wrecks are caused by texting then anything else right now. Most people lie about it though. I would put it up there with DWI as far as being dangerous.

What you've seen is all of the negative shit, because it is your job to deal with people who can't handle their lives(drugs or no drugs). What you don't deal with is all the other people who have completely normal days, go home and behind closed doors do whatever the hell they want, then get up the next day and go to work like clockwork. Legalize everything. Let darwinism do it's fucking job.

[racrguy]

I would like to think the word felony is just enough of a deterrent to keep people away from experimenting with the harder stuff. That stuff is highly addictive and fucks people up. I have seen very well off people go from riches to homeless and then dead because of that shit. I have seen lots of pretty young girls end up strung out and turning tricks at hotels because of it. You really want to legalize that?

Who are you to tell these people they can't go from riches to rags, or gorgeous to horrendous, and why does it need to be a felony?

As far as texting in cars goes I don't think we need new laws for that I think cell phone companies should disable it at over say 3 mph or whatever the average speed someone can walk is.

"The government can't tell you what to do, but the cell phone companies sure can!"

Texting restrictions are not about taking your freedom away,

Yes they are.

they are about you not killing someone else to send a useless message to your BFF.

It's already illegal to accidentally kill someone due to a lack of control on your part. They call that manslaughter.

I guarantee you if the truth be known a hell of a lot more wrecks are caused by texting then anything else right now. Most people lie about it though. I would put it up there with DWI as far as being dangerous.

DWI is also horseshit. The problems you're complaining about are already illegal. Not stopping at red lights, not maintaining your lane, a general lack of controlling your vehicle.

You have yet to justify why we need these additional laws when the problems are already illegal. If you are under the influence of something and are able to maintain control of yourself and your vehicle, where's the problem?