Honest easy question....

[bcoop]

and Mr. Cooper because he says that I backed down from him at Dino's when that wasn't the case.

You are delusional. You say there like the ginger bitch you are, and tried I play nice by asking what I do for living. I was thoroughly disappointed. You said (online), that you were going to kick my ass. Instead, you tried to suck my cock. I don't roll that way, fag.

[talisman]

Instead, you tried to suck my cock. I don't roll that way, fag.

I guess we don't have to argue over who gets the mouth and who gets the ass. We might as well go for an Eiffel Tower while we're at it.

[03trubluGT]

I presumed you would answer like this, since it is a viable defense. My opinion/post still stands. YOU do not defend it as "what is an officer to do?" type stance. It comes across more as a "Hell yeah! That's policy!"

I really wish I could remember the one that changed my opinion of you - but I can't.

I relate policing with teaching and any other thing related to government work. A bunch of dumb asses that are probably corrupt or want to be corrupted for financial gain write "policy" (rules, regulations, laws, SOP...whatever). There will be numerous problems, but you seem to have more of the hell yeah approach.

I trust a few of the people that defend you, and I really do not want to believe you're a prick. Hell, you never seemed like one until you became the target of a few other members.

Anyway, that's my input on it. I'm sure you'll lose sleep over it.

There is "Spirit of the law" and "Letter of the law".

I know there are officers that enjoy exerting authority, but it's the responsibility of tenured officers to take note and try to teach the young ones how to do the job responsibly and honorably.

There are bad apples in ANY profession, so why should policing be any different? We are working with humans, and anything of that nature is going to have flaws. There is no perfect pre-hire screening process that will weed out every flawed candidate.

You MUST understand that I do have a right to take liberties here on the board, as not everything I post is meant to be taken as gospel. I do use a LOT of satire, sarcasm, and humor since I really can't do it at work.

If someone asks a point blank question, I try to answer it as best and as honest as possible.

Hell, I've said on the board I've smoked weed, and the truth is I've never even put a cigarette to my mouth. I abhor smoking. I think it's nasty, and I've never worked a bar job because of it.

I'd say 99% of the people on this board are good people, but you can't take everything they say as indicative of their true personality.

David, CJ, Phaux, and several others have been on a ride along with me, and a few others have been with Jimmy. If you want to see how things really work, and the good that the service profession does, just try one out for yourself.

[03trubluGT]

not really. police are usually there after the fact. in places like chicago etc the police wont step up and do their jobs they let the crooks do as they wish so they wont get shot or in harms way. from what i see the police are usually more interested in making money than fighting crime.

I've got a Factory Five project I've been wanting to start. Can you let me in on how to make money off of crime?

[03trubluGT]

Yes, that's one of the things I can't understand.

Easy to find police (what I'll call) picking on motorists and other easy prey for tickets.

However, meanwhile there are hundreds/thousands of hoods that have serious crime problems and the police won't enter them or rarely do. I do not really understand why these areas are not patrolled/watched non-stop. i.e. the known one about a few blocks from the White House being a crime area.

In fairness there are 3 areas that are f'ed up in my opinion. It could be argued that Police forces are the smallest of the 3. In my opinion the f'ed up areas are (in order)...

1. Prison System (Don't get me started - recycled thugs that are better than when they went in at being criminals. No discipline, better quality of life than a lot of military or even hardworking civilians...etc...etc)
2. Court System
3. Law Enforcement

Hell, at the end of the day what we dislike most about police (generally speaking) is...(in no particular order)

1. Dickhead cops
2. Their policies
a. Concern about their policies directly affecting our rights
3. Their real and perceived inadequacies

Generally speaking, if 1 and 2 from the first list worked better - LEOs (standard ones that we want to like) would be more effective overall.

However, the ones out in the shit are probably arresting people they've arrested 3+ times before for the same shit or worst. (probably a whole lot more)

I think it is arguable that a lot of problems are symptoms of Court/Prison systems being a severe problem.

Sorry - that was longer than intended.

I'll tell you the same thing I've said before. If you think that finding a crime in progress is that easy in a big black and white car, just come out and show me how to do it, because I think they forgot to teach crime divining in the academy.

[03trubluGT]

You are delusional. You say there like the ginger bitch you are, and tried I play nice by asking what I do for living. I was thoroughly disappointed. You said (online), that you were going to kick my ass. Instead, you tried to suck my cock. I don't roll that way, fag.

Again, you could have accepted the challenge or deflect.

I see your habit of taking the deflect path continues.

Have a great day!

[lincolnboy]

i would feel safer if Mcdonold will redo their crappy cup lids.

[talisman]

I guess when I start defending crooked auto part store managers, Al starts defending crooked commercial real estate brokers, and Brent starts defending crooked high end restaurant kitchen salesmen we can just say "there's bad apples everywhere!" and pretend like that is some sort of goofball counterpoint.

[bcoop]

Again, you could have accepted the challenge or deflect.

I see your habit of taking the deflect path continues.

Have a great day!

I showed up, did I not? That means you did not follow through with what you said you were going to do, Rodney.

[ceyko]

David, CJ, Phaux, and several others have been on a ride along with me, and a few others have been with Jimmy. If you want to see how things really work, and the good that the service profession does, just try one out for yourself.

This will turn into a tail chasing scenario. BTW, just because I'm not all swinging from LEOs nuts does not mean I do not appreciate them. Just age is teaching me a few things that the Andy Griffith show forgot to include.

I'll tell you the same thing I've said before. If you think that finding a crime in progress is that easy in a big black and white car, just come out and show me how to do it, because I think they forgot to teach crime divining in the academy.

My point is, known problems are very high in certain areas. Why avoid them? Is it containment? Is it less illegal if they do it in those areas? Meanwhile, a 1001 minor things are being ticketed. It makes good business sense to do things this way. It does make me wonder if a lot of cops would rather pick on mostly law abiding citizens for their money; as opposed to taking the fight directly to the dealers, and other places that law abiding citizens generally try to avoid.

Trust me, I'm not so bitter that I do not recognize the work that goes into it. This is not a jab at individual LEOs. It's jabs and questioning "policies" again.

[JamisonFRC]

When I was a kid I loved cops. My parents taught me that they are there to help. When I was a teenager I hated cops. Not because I thought they were crooked but I was scared I would get busted for acting like an idiot.

Then college comes around and I grow up. I get a few speeding tickets. Of course I'm pissed in the moment. This is going to cost me money. But I was speeding. I ate my shit sandwich and moved on.

After a few more years passed I decided to give it a shot. I took the test, passed the extensive background check and started the academy. I've been on over eight years. I've been a field training officer, detective, bike patrol (not motors, forget that noise!) firearms instructor, etc.

I've seen other officers be abrasive to citizens. I won't say "asshole" because I don't think it went quite that far. Does it happen? No doubt. We deal with the whole spectrum of society. From the prim and proper to the worst of thugs. One would file a complaint if you said "damn" the other you talk like they talk. If you need to curse to get them to open up, so be it.

I honestly believe most officers have good intentions. They took the job for the right reasons. Are there officers that do it for a power trip? I'm sure they are out there. We are all human after all.

I realize most have a negative view of police. Especially when you can find inflammatory articles that focus on the response time of a robbery or burglary. The ball was dropped somewhere down the line. Not making excuses but that is the exception. But let's be honest officer's responding to a burglary call and catching the criminals in the act doesn't make for a good news article. After all that's what we are paid to do.

To answer the original question: To an extent. I believe that the individual is their own first line of defense. Police can't be everywhere all the time.

edit: The whole revenue generation argument is always funny to me. I have NEVER and I mean NEVER seen nor heard a superior tell a subordinate to write tickets to get revenue. Hell, half the tickets here are dismissed by the municipal judge anyway. And if you really want to get your feathers ruffled look at the calls for service vs property tax. I think you will see an interesting correlation.

[Jester]

When I was a kid I loved cops. My parents taught me that they are there to help. When I was a teenager I hated cops. Not because I thought they were crooked but I was scared I would get busted for acting like an idiot.

Then college comes around and I grow up. I get a few speeding tickets. Of course I'm pissed in the moment. This is going to cost me money. But I was speeding. I ate my shit sandwich and moved on.

After a few more years passed I decided to give it a shot. I took the test, passed the extensive background check and started the academy. I've been on over eight years. I've been a field training officer, detective, bike patrol (not motors, forget that noise!) firearms instructor, etc.

I've seen other officers be abrasive to citizens. I won't say "asshole" because I don't think it went quite that far. Does it happen? No doubt. We deal with the whole spectrum of society. From the prim and proper to the worst of thugs. One would file a complaint if you said "damn" the other you talk like they talk. If you need to curse to get them to open up, so be it.

I honestly believe most officers have good intentions. They took the job for the right reasons. Are there officers that do it for a power trip? I'm sure they are out there. We are all human after all.

I realize most have a negative view of police. Especially when you can find inflammatory articles that focus on the response time of a robbery or burglary. The ball was dropped somewhere down the line. Not making excuses but that is the exception. But let's be honest officer's responding to a burglary call and catching the criminals in the act doesn't make for a good news article. After all that's what we are paid to do.

To answer the original question: To an extent. I believe that the individual is their own first line of defense. Police can't be everywhere all the time.

edit: The whole revenue generation argument is always funny to me. I have NEVER and I mean NEVER seen nor heard a superior tell a subordinate to write tickets to get revenue. Hell, half the tickets here are dismissed by the municipal judge anyway. And if you really want to get your feathers ruffled look at the calls for service vs property tax. I think you will see an interesting correlation.

Thanks for a good honest answer.
As far as generating revenue, we all know that many many many many many many departments "encourage" the ticket writing.
To be honest, I think a lot of the tickets are because a ton of cops are really truly terrified of having to deal with a real criminal that wouldnt think twice about roping them to a chair and cutting an ear off. They feel that if they are out writing tickets to the safe people then they can say they are doing their job without ever having to really worry about getting down and dirty.

[talisman]

Traffic stops are one of the most dangerous parts of their jobs, Levi.

[JamisonFRC]

Traffic stops are one of the most dangerous parts of their jobs, Levi.

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not... But they truly are. It's a complete unknown. At least with a call for service you have some information (accurate or not) about what you are responding to.

[talisman]

I was actually being serious for a change.