Cop shoots unarmed man WHY?

[The King]

There is no reason to take a mans life for him saying words no matter what the words are

Not that this applies to the circumstances in this thread, but what if said police officer were in a crowd, maybe including kids, and a man of apparent middle eastern descent wearing a heavy coat and/or carrying a backpack began ranting "Allahu Akbar"?

[ceyko]

There is no reason to take a mans life for him saying words no matter what the words are

Although I agree, that does not mean it is police policy. Of course, there seems to be little standardization from one department to another - so if the board LEOs answer - that does not mean the cops in the video have the same rules.

[bcoop]

Do we have a cop or 2 that will maybe offer some insight? On my other boards there are some cops.

Hustleman, jewozzy, and MachX2 are all LE. The latter two are pretty reasonable most of the time. The first, not so much.

[SEB]

Not that this applies to the circumstances in this thread, but what if said police officer were in a crowd, maybe including kids, and a man of apparent middle eastern descent wearing a heavy coat and/or carrying a backpack began ranting "Allahu Akbar"?

Shoot that Sand Nigger & ask questions later!

[ELVIS]

There is no reason to take a mans life for him saying words no matter what the words are

we are all getting old when Seb wont kill or fight at the drop of a hat.....

Shoot that Sand Nigger & ask questions later!

there we go!!!! thats the Seb we know and love!

god bless.

[hustleman]

I'm not trying to fire up haterade. I am curious why it would matter what he is saying?

If I person says "I'm going to kill you....etc...etc...etc" is that justification to shoot them? Knife or not? Being aggressive or not?

I know that's coming across like a harsh question. I don't have coffee yet, so I'm not close to being eloquent. I just really am curious if that's enough reason.

I should of elaborated more. I'm saying the video is bad so I can't tell if he has a knife in his hand or not. Saying he does have a knife in his and he is saying "I've been waiting for you pigs to show up so I can gut you with this knife" I would take the guy serious.

But with that being said the video doesn't show that.

[bcoop]

Saying he does have a knife in his and he is saying "I've been waiting for you pigs to show up so I can gut you with this knife" I would take the guy serious.

And that is justification for shooting a citizen who is standing still? If he lunged, as the police report stated, I could understand that. But he didn't lunge. The involved LEOs know he didn't lunge or move towards them in any way. And they both lied on the police report in an attempt to cover it up.

[Country cracker]

What if he had the knife in his hand and said he was going to kill himself ?

[hustleman]

And that is justification for shooting a citizen who is standing still? If he lunged, as the police report stated, I could understand that. But he didn't lunge. The involved LEOs know he didn't lunge or move towards them in any way. And they both lied on the police report in an attempt to cover it up.

You're right. I was just providing an example that might heighten the officers anxiety. Still believe the deadly force was not justified.

[hustleman]

What if he had the knife in his hand and said he was going to kill himself ?

Sec. 9.34. PROTECTION OF LIFE OR HEALTH. (a) A person is justified in using force, but not deadly force, against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other from committing suicide or inflicting serious bodily injury to himself.
(b) A person is justified in using both force and deadly force against another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force or deadly force is immediately necessary to preserve the other's life in an emergency.

[jluv]

Not that this applies to the circumstances in this thread, but what if said police officer were in a crowd, maybe including kids, and a man of apparent middle eastern descent wearing a heavy coat and/or carrying a backpack began ranting "Allahu Akbar"?

That alone is no justification to kill that person. Maybe if you could clearly see exposed explosives or something that looked just like it, and the guy was making actions that appeared as if he was trying to trigger a device, then maybe. But you can't just shoot someone for wearing a coat and expressing their religious beliefs. Not in this country with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Besides, that would be a reaction based in paranoia and fear. That's exactly what those assholes want to accomplish with their terrorism. They want us scared and jumpy so we'll start making stupid decisions and even start limiting or negating the freedoms that make this country what it's supposed to be. It's been happening ever since.

[Forever_frost]

Remind me again what happens to officers who lie on an official report.

[The King]

That alone is no justification to kill that person. Maybe if you could clearly see exposed explosives or something that looked just like it, and the guy was making actions that appeared as if he was trying to trigger a device, then maybe. But you can't just shoot someone for wearing a coat and expressing their religious beliefs. Not in this country with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Besides, that would be a reaction based in paranoia and fear. That's exactly what those assholes want to accomplish with their terrorism. They want us scared and jumpy so we'll start making stupid decisions and even start limiting or negating the freedoms that make this country what it's supposed to be. It's been happening ever since.

That was only directed toward SEB's post below, regarding words not being sufficient reason to take a man's life.

There is no reason to take a mans life for him saying words no matter what the words are

That's why I added in the heavy coat and/or backpack into the fictional situation, injecting a heavy dose of reasonable doubt into an officer's assessment regarding the individual's intentions perhaps?

[jluv]

That was only directed toward SEB's post below, regarding words not being sufficient reason to take a man's life.

Yes, that was clear.

That's why I added in the heavy coat and/or backpack into the fictional situation, injecting a heavy dose of reasonable doubt into an officer's assessment regarding the individual's intentions perhaps?

And like I said, that alone would not justify shooting the guy.

I'm not sure why you're gong back to explain your post or its intention. It wasn't difficult to understand the first time.

[The King]

And like I said, that alone would not justify shooting the guy.

I'm not sure why you're gong back to explain your post or its intention. It wasn't difficult to understand the first time.

Because I disagree with you, and would likely be in support of an officer's use of deadly force, if he/she deemed it justified, in the hypothetical situation I posted.